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Help.. Girls skis.. Moving on from Missy? [Lake Louise]

post #1 of 10
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Looking for help on current or 2015 models.
I have 3 daughters, 9yo and 7yo twins. We will be skiing Lake Louise this season, mostly back bowls with some groom, bumps and park jumps. Girls are all competent on blue and will ski blacks when snow has plenty of purchase. They have been riding K2 Missy 2014 (snow flake owl design) in 119 (older girl) and 109 (twins). Whilst I can now admit these skis were probably too long when first purchased, we wanted skis that would work for powder days, and that they have (not that we got to do much of that last season). I measured them up against the skis yesterday. 9yo has ski about 1cm below chin, 7yos have ski about mid point between chin and bottom lip. They all ski pretty well and have 3 14+ day seasons behind them. They are Able to carve and ski parallel unless totally stressed on steep icy slopes.
I was just about to pull the trigger and buy a new set of missy 119 and 129 so they could all move up a size and then I noticed that the k2 specs no longer show a wood core for the missy.. On further inspection the missy is now 72 waist whereas I think the model we have is 75. So, the brakes are on with the missy..
I note that in 2015 and this year there is the remedy 75 and the shreditor 75 (same I guess?) that seem to have similar dimensions to the older missy and specify a wood core.
Are they the same as the missy used to be? I went to the shop yesterday and compared remedy 75 and shreditor 85 and the remedy were much more flexible. Upon returning home I flexed the size below in our missy 2014 and they seemed much stiffer than the remedy.

So,
Should I go with the remedy?
Can I get another season out of the current missy skis before up sizing?
Should I look at the shreditor 85 ( I read some good stuff here about bad seed 85 and presume these are the continuation)?
Do I move to a different brand with similar powder ability yet still cambered?

Last point, the twins are same height but different weight (5kg difference). Do I consider getting them into 3 different lengths or widths and pass through all 3. Ie keep one 7yo in the 109 missy, heavier one in the 119 and 9yo in a 129 or similar.

Graphics are a factor but only in the sense that they should not be boy specific images.. Don't have to be pink and purple etc..

Appreciate all ideas
post #2 of 10
My perspective is you want an adult construction ski at this point, in child sizes. They generally cost too much to be a net benefit over renting if you can rent.

My daughter, who will turn 11 at the beginning of the season, will be on 130 cm Atomic Century Girl skis (seasonal rental). Twin tip, but fully cambered, wood core. She has skied these before and it is a great ski for her. We ski back bowls, trees, groomers so she sees it all. I don't know the extent to which younger kids really benefit from a more powder focused design when they are still so light since waist widths start going up.

The Salomon Rocker2 jr is a great ski and is reasonably gender neutral. My 12 yo son will be on 140cm this year, but the 2012/13 version that was still fully cambered (twin tip). That ski is wider and rockered now, but worth a look.

In any case, I think skiing short is a handicap for them just like it is for us. If they can ski blacks, then an easy releasing ski that is at least nose height and maybe to mid-forehead is appropriate. Shorter beginner noodles and it's all defense mode in my experience.

Hope that helps a bit. Both sets of their skis are on the right in this pic (Atomics far right).

post #3 of 10

Honestly, is there a reason you are insistent upon a wood core and that extra 3mm for your girls? The thing with kids, they're light. They don't have the weight or the muscles to need a wood core for extra stiffness in their skis. 3mm one way or another isn't going to make a whit of difference in the amount of float they get out of the skis either. A foam core breaks down faster than a wood core, but it sounds like you're looking to buy new or almost new, and your girls will outgrow these skis before the foam cores start to break down in any meaningful way. 

 

I instruct a group of seasonal kids who rip, based on your description, my students are more advanced than your girls at this point. We ski trees, pow, all sorts of stuff, and none of the kids need a fat ski to stay on top of it all. On days that I'm using my fat powder boards, they're skiing on their normal skis, and staying on top of things just as well as I am.

 

My point is, you seem to be overthinking this. Core material and 3mm of waist width one way or another isn't really something you need to sweat at their age. 

post #4 of 10

Volkl Gotama Jr is a nice little all mountain off piste biased kids ski that's not too wide. 

post #5 of 10
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Originally Posted by freeski919 View Post

Honestly, is there a reason you are insistent upon a wood core and that extra 3mm for your girls? The thing with kids, they're light. They don't have the weight or the muscles to need a wood core for extra stiffness in their skis. 3mm one way or another isn't going to make a whit of difference in the amount of float they get out of the skis either. A foam core breaks down faster than a wood core, but it sounds like you're looking to buy new or almost new, and your girls will outgrow these skis before the foam cores start to break down in any meaningful way. 

I instruct a group of seasonal kids who rip, based on your description, my students are more advanced than your girls at this point. We ski trees, pow, all sorts of stuff, and none of the kids need a fat ski to stay on top of it all. On days that I'm using my fat powder boards, they're skiing on their normal skis, and staying on top of things just as well as I am.

My point is, you seem to be overthinking this. Core material and 3mm of waist width one way or another isn't really something you need to sweat at their age. 

As noted in my post above, I have a singular perspective on this issue, which is my own kids. My daughter was on the Atomic Century two seasons ago, and a K2 (the Juvy IIRC) last season as the "higher end" skis were rented out by the time they got there. She lost a little bit of confidence last season and seemed like a different skier.

All kids are different, and I do think that steps downward in ski performance should be viewed cautiously in the context of the specific child. In other words, while float, etc. may not be particularly affected, a lower performance envelope may be noticeable to a young skier in more challenging conditions like crud where being small and light can be rough. Especially those who aren't natural bombers.

That's why I can't get past renting as ideally I would prefer to buy, but the "premium" step up is small in rental price vs. purchase price.
post #6 of 10

I also suspect you're overthinking this.  Based on how you describe the lengths, you're probably OK for another season, unless your kids are heavy.

 

If you're curious, you could look at the Line Snow Angel.  I think it's discontinued, but my older daughter came to like it for big mountain skiing.

post #7 of 10

Lots of options for you, depends on what you want to spend and how much sensitive your kids are to their equipment.

Maybe overthinking? However as a race parent I do know how quickly kids can progress and push the limits (exceed) typical "kids ski" equipment.

Only you of course can make a reasonably accurate assessment of your children's ability.

 

My daughter is 7 (52-53" I believe) and skis a 120cm race ski w/ 68mm waist (Fischer, full sidewall, sintered base real deal race ski without the metal) and flexes it just fine when she arcs her turns. No problems whatsoever with the ski when she's freesking or hitting the park with that ski either.  She'll ski Rock Garden, Paradise Bowl, Ptarmigain Glades, etc. extremely well in that race ski....no problems with float from what I've seen (as posted kids aren't that heavy).   I don't believe in multiple skis for her age so her race skis take here everywhere.

 

Powder at LL is not overly deep (or skis out pretty quickly outside of the glades and back bowls), so 72-75 would be no meaningful difference.....I'd say length is more critical.  You don't want to go too long so you don't impair them in developing good turning mechanics.  The old adage, of make sure they can flex them, turn them and ultimately have fun with them.

 

As far as your question, Volkl has a Prya that is a well built ski, but might be too much from a construction standpoint (or not sure if cost is worth it)? Only you can answer that one.

K2 Remedy sounds good based on your post, wouldn't worry about them being "too flexible" unless you kids are really hard chargers.  

 

Don't think there are a whole lot of options for an all-mountain wood core (real construction) ski at shorter lengths....most of the better constructed skis at the shorter lengths tend to be race focused (assume it's because it's typically only the racers or other avid junior skiers that can really work them). We have 9-10 year olds skiing metal in their SL skis so I think your responses will depend on what the posters have seen/experienced with other kids.  My view is a bit skewed as those racer kids can really rip.

post #8 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies. Some new skis there I will have to check out.
Yes I am overthinking... Frustrated as I just wanted the same skis they were so good and the kids went so well on them ( saw great online deal). ... Alas the name lives on but it seems the new missy isn't the same... Hence the thinking on what to do... I get the comments on the wood core.. I am no expert but at least for the larger skis they will see 3 or 4 seasons as they get passed down to the younger 2. Much prefer getting straight on the lift to renting. Their original skis were standard kids skis and maybe too short but they just bogged in powder which prompted the original change. They are well and truly good enough to join a race team but they're not interested in racing so far, happier doing the exploration and jumps and tree runs etc. keep wondering if I should push them to race but am just happy the whole family wants to ski... It's not a case of wanting to spend money but wanting them all to be able to grow and keep up with each other. Last year I fitted cant adjust to one of the kids boots (quite bow legged) and saw a huge improvement which made all the difference. With all the other money spent on passes clothing etc I'd rather a ski that's reliable and they love.
Happy for more ideas and will let you know what I think about the options suggested, looked for gotamas online but seems they're replaced... Perhaps the pyras are the new equivalent..
And yes I don't want to go backwards in ski especially as the eldest is the most developed and was smashing it last year and once the younger two reach that ski they'll be super stars for sure..
post #9 of 10
Family skiing and having fun is the most important. 99.9% of race families have the same attitude, I find racing is more to get good coaching and a large peer group of kids to rip with. Mom and Dad are fun to rip with, but a group of kids is another level of fun.

Some kids like the gates, other can live without it. (At younger ages better programs have limited gate specific training and focus more on free ski) Just a good excuse to get the families out to ski and have the kids learn a bunch of things to improve their skiing. Most clubs should have some sort of open house to give new kids a taste of racing.

The rate at which the race kids progress is nothing sort of remarkable, a function of time on snow, a peer group to push them, and continuous coaching.

Hope you can find what you are looking for.
post #10 of 10
Ski swap season is upon us - maybe find the older version slightly used in the next size up?

Or, start them in their current skis and sprinkle demo/rentals when they're up for it?
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