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post #391 of 409

What if they made a rule that x% of ski company profits had to be re-invested in on-mountain infrastructure improvements? That would keep them from collapsing!

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Found this blog on lifts.

The Lifespan of a Highspeed Quad
Peter Landsman
http://liftblog.com/author/plandsman/

That's cool. I wonder what are the obvious reasons for scrapping Yan detachable lifts? Something about bad grips? Was there an incident?

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What if they made a rule that x% of ski company profits had to be re-invested in on-mountain infrastructure improvements? That would keep them from collapsing!

That's cool. I wonder what are the obvious reasons for scrapping Yan detachable lifts? Something about bad grips? Was there an incident?

 

The Yan's had several incidents of the chair detaching mid-ride and sliding backward down the lift. From Wikipedia :

 

"Yan detachable lifts were subject to a series of accidents, most notably the Quicksilver lift at Whistler Mountain in British ColumbiaCanada. The Quicksilver accident killed two and injured eight on December 23, 1995.[5]The accident occurred when the emergency stop was used repeatedly. A chair started sliding downhill and struck the next chair which got stuck on a tower. This continued several times before a total of four chairs fell.[6]The main problems with the Yan high-speed lifts were the chair grips. These were designed so that in order to stay connected to the cable, the chair had to be subject to gravity. The grips, unlike most operating today, did not have high-tension coil springs, but rather rubber "marshmallow" springs that exerted much less force on the cable. The repeated emergency brake application was enough to shake the chairs free of the cable. The majority of government safety inspectors failed to detect these problems."

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The Yan's had several incidents of the chair detaching mid-ride and sliding backward down the lift. From Wikipedia :

 

"Yan detachable lifts were subject to a series of accidents, most notably the Quicksilver lift at Whistler Mountain in British ColumbiaCanada. The Quicksilver accident killed two and injured eight on December 23, 1995.[5]The accident occurred when the emergency stop was used repeatedly. A chair started sliding downhill and struck the next chair which got stuck on a tower. This continued several times before a total of four chairs fell.[6]The main problems with the Yan high-speed lifts were the chair grips. These were designed so that in order to stay connected to the cable, the chair had to be subject to gravity. The grips, unlike most operating today, did not have high-tension coil springs, but rather rubber "marshmallow" springs that exerted much less force on the cable. The repeated emergency brake application was enough to shake the chairs free of the cable. The majority of government safety inspectors failed to detect these problems."

Holy crap. That would be scary!

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http://digital.vpr.net/post/killington-will-host-2016-womens-world-cup-ski-events#stream/0

It would appear that FIS and USSA are rather confident in K's infrastructure.
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http://digital.vpr.net/post/killington-will-host-2016-womens-world-cup-ski-events#stream/0


It would appear that FIS and USSA are rather confident in K's infrastructure.

Right because FIS would never name a venue without first ensuring the infrastructure was up to par. Woops:

http://aspenjournalism.org/2014/12/17/aspen-may-lose-2017-world-cup-finals-if-old-lift-isnt-replaced/
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What if they made a rule that x% of ski company profits had to be re-invested in on-mountain infrastructure improvements? That would keep them from collapsing!

That's cool. I wonder what are the obvious reasons for scrapping Yan detachable lifts? Something about bad grips? Was there an incident?

There are tax accounting rules regarding "depreciation" that addresses  the reduction of the value of an asset over time. In theory, resort operators  should be reserving for replacement of the asset (e.g., a ski lift) over the depreciation schedule (which is never accurate regarding the asset life and just an estimate).  Unfortunately, not all ski areas make enough money to reserve for future capital expenditures. It is the lack of profits that causes smaller ski areas to close or reorganize or sell. Some profitable operators simply replace an asset only when they absolutely have to and don't bother reserving (they have access to capital if needed), sucking out as much profit as possible. Is Powdr Corp. such an operator? I'll let you decide. 

 

In the old days it was rumored some smaller operators could always depend upon a lightning strike or electrical problem to burn down an old lodge so insurance proceeds along with a new loan could be used to help build a new one. Unfortunately, fraud could mean jail time and right now some smaller operators can't get loans. Some smaller operators are very profitable, but others are getting out.

 

Now that the Cumming family operates and is an owner of Snowbird, is there still the drive to build Powdr Corp? I have no doubts the family will be good stewards of Snowbird, but the love may or may be lost for the rest of the ski areas now that the Crown Jewel or PCMR is gone. We'll see over the next few years what happens at Killington and elsewhere.


Edited by quant2325 - 10/8/15 at 9:58am
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Hearing now that it is confirmed a 2016 women's opener GS and slalom at Killington
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Hearing now that it is confirmed a 2016 women's opener GS and slalom at Killington

 

Hmmm, a chance to see Mikaela in action vs. having to spend time at Killington.  Decisions, decisions...

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Hmmm, a chance to see Mikaela in action vs. having to spend time at Killington.  Decisions, decisions...

 

Killington ain't so bad. Just ski there the way you guys normally drive in bean town. :D

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Killington ain't so bad. Just ski there the way you guys normally drive in bean town. :D

 

                                          They do 

 

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Killington ain't so bad. Just ski there the way you guys normally drive in bean town. biggrin.gif

Those of us who grew up driving in Boston drive just fine. It's the rest of you with the problem.

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^^ Yeah that sums it up. Crazy angles, no order.
In NY as long as you keep flow you can pretty much do whatever.

People who learn to drive in the Bronx may be the worst in NY. No regard for street flow. Park in the middle of street to run in to store- it's their right.
Staten Island may be closest to Boston but nit nearly the rat's nest of roads. To get out of a lot onto the roadway you pretty much just have to go for it forcing them to slow for you. Otherwise you sit there all day. Now with phone distractions and touch screens that distract drivers it may not work that well.

Driving in Nyc now is just boring. Too much traffic. I use to enjoy the sport. Plus the official speed limit is now 25 when not posted. Meaning you can pretty much always get a ticket if you're not stuck in traffic. This is because everyone is looking at their phones as they cross the street and get run over too much.

Had an Uber ride last summer and the guy drove like he just learned how to drive. It was frustrating and annoying. Turns out he was going the speed limit.
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IME Connecticut drivers were the worst in the Northeast for camping out in the left lane at 5mph below the limit. Also IME, very few Thruway drivers had the ability to maintain a constant speed. Doing a constant 72, I would repeatedly be passed, and have to pass again the same twits over and over again, until I'd get frustrated and just drive 80-85 for a while to shake off the chaff...

 

Vermont drivers are terrible, but generally slow enough to make passing a breeze. Colorado drivers are a culmination of the worst driving habits and characteristics of every other state; aggression, impatience, and entitlement topping the list. 

post #404 of 409
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Well, their lifts and their management might be pretty questionable, but their
snowmaking is pretty good.

Looks like they'll be open this weekend on the 1972 vintage North Ridge Triple Chairlift. 43 years old and still a critical lift!

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Thought the snowmaking was awful? Those new guns and all.
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On a trail running outingt his morning we discovered that Killington has strategically placed toboggans and rescue gear along critical areas where skiers tended to get lost last season. How's that for thoughtful infrastructure?
post #407 of 409

http://www.skinet.com/ski/galleries/ski-resort-guide-2016-best-lifts?i=55609272&s=9

 

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East || No. 6: Killington, VT
 

“Amazing snow making and lift capacity.”

“The lifts are high speed and include a gondola. Plus the resort has the largest trail network in VT.”

“The lift systems are top notch.”

—2016 Resort Survey reader comments

 

Couldn't resist.  :)

 

(Stowe is ranked #7, one spot behind the almighty Killington).

post #408 of 409

There is only one mighty....and that is the Mighty Whaleback.

Probably the toughest pound for pound mountain in the east with the exception of Mad River.

post #409 of 409

Guessing infrastructure collapse was the least of Killington's problems this year.:nono:

 

Vibes.

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