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Hi. My daughter is 15, now 115 lbs, 5'-4", expert skier that skis ice and powder. As point of reference, last year, she was on 160 Blizzard Cochise Jr (rkr-cmbr-rkr, wood) and loved, but felt it didn't grip ice as well as she would like. She demo'd 159 Black Pearls (rkr-cmbr-rkr, wood/Ti) and had trouble turning them. I want to get her a narrower waist carving ski in the vein of Blizzard's Viva X8. Should I get her a junior ski, a women ski? Any suggestions of specific skis? Thanks.
Can you give some examples of favorites runs that she does that require "expert" technique? I'm an advanced skier at the other end of the age spectrum, about her weight, and several inches shorter. My all-mountain skis are 159cm Black Pearls because I don't like stiff skis. That said, I would not want BPs as a daily driver in the northeast.
I demo'd a few models from the Head Joy line last season. Liked them enough to get a pair of Absolut Joys for Mid-Atlantic ski days. I also liked the Total Joy, which is 85 underfoot but decided to go with the narrower option since the BPs are 88 underfoot.
Paging @Trekchick for comments about the Viva X8.
The tricky thing here is that we're looking at one pair of skis for two very different snow conditions, a common dilemma when choosing a ski these days.
I wouldn't recommend going too narrow, even though she had some trouble on the Black Pearls. Going much narrower than that is going to significantly decrease her ability in powder.
It sounds to me like the right thing for her would be a relatively light weight, mid-80 underfoot all mountain ski. I would say probably stick with womens skis over junior skis. A few come to mind right away - such as the Volkl Yumi and the Rossignol Temptation 84. At her weight both skis should hold an edge through ice just fine, while not being too overpowering or difficult to make quick turns, and ultimately providing enough width to do pretty well in softer snow conditions.
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Hope she ends up on something that she loves!
"Favorite" is tough since she likes everything. She learned to ski from age 5 at Whiteface. 2013/2014 she was on 148 Wall Jr and had no problem on any trail, under any conditions (meaning no matter how icy). Did our first Western trip that year. No problem on any trail at Snowmass and Aspen Highlands, including skiing, at speed, through bumps, off Temerity chair at Highlands. 2014/2015 was mostly on softer snow than Whiteface. Skied on the 160 Cochise Jr's at Sugarbush, Jay, and also Aspen/Snowmass again. Loved the ski. Skied everything at speed with carved turns. (lays down railroad tracks) Glades, Blacks, Double Blacks, really likes glades. Tried the 159 Black Pearls at Snowmass in packed powder on Sheer Bliss (a Blue) and said she had trouble turning them. Went to Whiteface in March and encountered icy conditions. Skyward was the trail on which she noticed she had problems with her Cochise Jr's.
Anyway, I am looking for a carving ski with waist in 80's because I want her to retain her ability to ski on ice. I'm thinking that Ghost's suggestion of 153's for something like the Viva X8 might be the answer. Or, maybe just go with a Junior race ski instead of a women's ski; but, then, the waist is very narrow and versatility for powder is lost. Or, maybe my daughter's problem with the 159 Black Pearls stemmed from being in a 70-flex junior boot. She had been complaining about the top of the boot tongue cutting into her shins. Maybe the real answer is to get her into a women's boot, maybe 95 flex, then demo the Black Pearls again.
Any input on both skis and boots are appreciated.
Ah yes, of course, shorter ski. The 160 Cochise Jr's are still at her forehead. So, stiffer ski, go shorter, duh. I should have had her demo the 152 Black Pearls and the 153 Viva X8's (she skis fast). If the narrower X8's, she can continue to use her Cochise Jr's in powder.
Between those four skis I think you'll find a winner. On paper they're all pretty similar, but every skier has a preference and I'm sure they'll be one ski that makes her feel most comfortable.