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East Coast Salomon xdrive 8.8 vs Monster 88

post #1 of 17
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I think I am looking for 88mm ski and thinking about new Monster 88 but Blister review of xdrive 8.8 and side pictures of tip and tail rocker have some of my interest. Any pictures of side shot of Monster 88 tip and tail. Monster looks to have raised tail possibly similar shape to xdrive 8.8. Anyone have any thoughts about ice, crud, groom, off trail and tree performance skiing between these two? Current skis Nordica 80 pro and Nordica Enforcer previous one with lightning graphics. At times would be nice to have a tweener ski with a small rocker tip and versatile tail for trees east coast.

I thought about steadfast 90, vantage 90cti and motive 95. I think steadfast maybe tad stiff for trees, vantage 90cti I am probably too heavy for and motive 95 something tells me maybe be awesome technical ski but could get bounced around some. So this brings me back to Salomon xdrive vs new Monster 88. I think new enforcer 185 will be too short and 193 enforcer too long in trees and small crowded resorts.

Current size around 6'6" and weight 230 strong aggressive skier but body torn to crap all over. I do have gear whore problems so maybe try a few different skis and sell off what doesn't make the cut. I ski a lot of mixed conditions with tons of ice, slop, soup, refrozen junk and jump off trail every chance I can.
post #2 of 17
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Sorry computer froze and locked up and looks like posted multiple times.
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Sorry computer froze and locked up and looks like posted multiple times.


Mod note: duplicate threads deleted.  You're welcome.

post #4 of 17

Both are real good skis. At your svelte size, either will work for you in their longest length. The Sally is not anything like an old Pocket Rocket, it is a real charger and will not fold under pressure. The Monster 88, while I don't have pics of it, has minimal early rise in the tip and even less in the tail but frankly is has quickly become a reference ski in the highly competitive 88-90mm category. With your "torn up body", the dampening if the Head might be the best option, it is smooth and isolates without neutering the feel. The Sally is damp too but doesn't have quite the sweet spot and refinement of the Head...but you should be able to find them leftover on closeout. There really isn't a bad choice between the two of them. 

post #5 of 17

Griz -

 

If you want a look at the side profile of the new Head Monster 88, go to the 20 second mark of this video:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8OkEtGMIXs

 

If I thought that I could post a picture from that video on this website (showing a side view of the new Monster 88), then I certainly would, but I just don't know how copyright laws work wtih Youtube videos, etc.

 

By the way, I believe that the lengths for the new Monster 88 are 170, 177, & 184.  184 may be shorter than what you're looking for (you stated between 185 & 193).

post #6 of 17

I've got Monster 88's and the tail isn't risen that much just as Phil says. I'll take some photos when it's day time and post them soon for you.

The tip rise is probably more marketing than anything else too and the ski overall feels like a wider more purposeful Titan (I still ski the shorter turning cambered original model), just with a bigger turn shape and easier to release in the tail (especially in bumps) which is exactly what I wanted.

I demoed it this week just to see if I could ski it after the 'it's a lot of ski' comments etc and was blown away, on hard snow anyway, how powerful but manageable and confidence inspiring it was. I'm only 145 lbs and the 170 was perfect for me and while it's actually a 87 waist on that one the 16m radius suits me when there is more room to let go so to speak. Very stable, damp and great edge feel. So I bought it.

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Are the monster88s skiing shorter or longer? Some lengths of skis I have demoed and liked alot are Brahma in 173, Bonafide in 173, Cochise in 177,powertrack 89 in 172, exp88 in 172, rtm 84 (2014-15) in 171.

I'm 5'7, 180lbs but intermediate. Everyone always tells me I should ski alot longer because of weight but for instance I have enjoyed a 173 Bonafide over the 180 and have found a nordica HNB 177 to be too long.

Do I go 170 or 177 on the monster88. Many thanks as always to everyone!
post #8 of 17
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Are the monster88s skiing shorter or longer? Some lengths of skis I have demoed and liked alot are Brahma in 173, Bonafide in 173, Cochise in 177,powertrack 89 in 172, exp88 in 172, rtm 84 (2014-15) in 171.

I'm 5'7, 180lbs but intermediate. Everyone always tells me I should ski alot longer because of weight but for instance I have enjoyed a 173 Bonafide over the 180 and have found a nordica HNB 177 to be too long.

Do I go 170 or 177 on the monster88. Many thanks as always to everyone!

They ski true to length. If the HNB felt too long in a 177, 170 in the Monster. 

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I think steadfast maybe tad stiff for trees, 

Current size around 6'6" and weight 230 

At that size, I don't think you would find the Steadfast too stiff for the trees.  I weigh ~200 in-season, and did not find them overly stiff at all.  Did not end up being my favorite ski, for whatever reason, but being overly stiff was never an issue.

post #10 of 17
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I think steadfast maybe tad stiff for trees, vantage 90cti I am probably too heavy for

Current size around 6'6" and weight 230 strong aggressive skier

No on both counts. I'm 5'7", 150 pounds and have been skiing 170CM Steadfasts in the trees for 4 seasons, also in bumps and even in powder several times over 12". The guy who owns the shop where I work and I have both skied the Atomic Vantage 90CTi and were seriously impressed. If I was looking to replace my Steadfast that would be it. The owner is shorter than you but I think about the same weight and he really liked the ski as well. In fact, before we demoed them last season, he had no interest in carrying them this year, but we have a bunch of the 90CTi and also the 100CTi. The Steadfast has been gone for two seasons already but I think there are some really crazy deals available, STP had them very cheap recently. You really need to demo some of these skis. And I wouldn't rule out the Nordica Enforcer. If I had to limit myself to just one ski it would either be the Nordica Soul RIder or the Enforcer.
post #11 of 17
Grizz is too big for a Soul Rider though. A big mans twin? The Peace Maker maybe. smile.gif

Grizz, your a big guy. You can bend whatever your on.
post #12 of 17
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I have plenty of power, skill and size to ski anything I want but my body is shot primarily on left side with previous broken left hip. My left knee was fully frozen for awhile. My left hip had pins hanging out too far shredding my left IT band.  My left shoulder torn and sometimes need left arm to get me back to lift if leg froze up or done for the day.  When my hip is done for the day its done.  IF I go too light and playful skis seem to noodle on me.  Powerful heavy damp skis the weight bothers the hip hanging from chair lifts or when I am stepping around a lot teaching or skating to the lifts.  I am not a big fan of rocker dead vague feeling on hardpack and it slows immediate hook up unless I treat them like a pair of race skis aggressive on edge.  Rocker does help take pressure off joint in slush and powder trees.  I am primarily skiing on right leg but using both skis aggressively.  My injury seems more picky about tip shape now.  The square tips on Nordica 84 edt and Rossi 82ti did not work well with injury and I can still attack it and lay it out really well on most skis.  The longest length I want to go up to is 188cm to help take off some leverage on the joint.  I am wanting to jump on some other skis this year to see what works Salomon x-drive 8.8, Head Monster 88, Fischer Motive 95 and maybe Atomic Vantage 100 cti are high on list.  My 80 pros are a tad light getting some high speed deflection and my enforcer lightning bolt graphics tad heavy on joint but both awesome skis.

post #13 of 17

My experience as a relatively powerful but unsophisticated intermediate skiing these back to back on the same day on very variable conditions ( fresh snow on very firm packed which was churned and bumped up) were that the monsters have significantly more edge. A heap more edge actually. They feel a lot more aggressive than the 8.8s which I found very well behaved, even sedate.  The monsters were a heap of fun but maybe a little beyond my skill.

post #14 of 17

I skied 173 Brahma just before the 170 Monster and the monsters felt quite a bit longer, if that is any help.

post #15 of 17
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I ended up picking up some 184cm x-drive 8.8 for $389 new. It was kind of a hard deal to pass up on at that price.  I hope it has enough edge grip for my taste which makes it breaks the deal for me.  It hand flexes very stiff especially in tails.  Hand flexing it alone makes my Nordica Enforcer lightning bolt graphic feel like a noodle.  The Enforcer feels like it skis stiffer than its hand flex.  The X-drive 8.8 should handle my size pretty easily hopefully just on hand flex alone.  Just waiting for snow to fly!!!!  I will give report back how they charge, edge grip, power, trees, ice, slush, rebound and snap later. 

post #16 of 17
That's a good price! I also picked up new 14/15 X-drive 88:s (paid more than you, but got STH 13:s with them). 179 for me. They feel very promising. And reading the Blister gear review  doesn't exacly lower my expextations: http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2014-2015-salomon-x-drive-8-8-fs
Edited by Karlsson - 10/9/15 at 10:14am
post #17 of 17
Ok, so I have a few days on the x-drives now. Groomers only -- conditions haven't allowed anything periferical. They feel very solid with a great edge grip (haven't skied on ice, but I'm pretty certain they will do great). Surprisingly easy-going, I can see intermediates having fun on theese, still they don't fold when you put pressure on them (I'm 175 lbs). Also a little surprised that they seem happy to do short and long turns, even if the latter is what they do best. They're like a very agreeable GS-race ski, but 88 under foot.
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