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Finally replacing my Line Prophet 98's

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I have a Head Rev 85 and Praxis Concept (116). Looking to replace my Line Prophets as my 100ish mid quiver ski. Thinking I want something that is a bit more off piste biased but still capable on hard snow as my Revs go really well into a couple of inches.

I am up at the condo on the hill starting my pre-season tuning with a cold beverage. Figured this was a perfect time to ask the masses about ski options!
post #2 of 22

I would suggest the Fischer Ranger 96 TI (2014-2015 model: a bit more classic in shape and build), or the new 2016 Ranger 98 TI, which still does great on hardpack, I hear...

post #3 of 22
Check out DPS's Cassier 95s. Lightweight, fantastic edge hold on groomers, terrific off piste - no problems in 6" of fresh. IF, however, you are looking at going mach-schnell, these may not be your best choice. But at 'typical' high speeds the ligh weight handles just fine.
post #4 of 22

The 95mm category has been expanding with some really good offerings. the fore mentioned Fischer (but I would look at the Motive 95) , the DPS Cassiar are both very good. For another playful option, the K2 Pinnacle 95 should be added to the list. The power biased skiers are really liking the new Kastle FX95Ti. Here is my thread on the 95's for next season....Thumbnails from Copper, 2016 95mm skis. One note on these ski, some (DPS and K2 example) ski short, don't dismiss sizing up on some. 

post #5 of 22

Lots of options like said. Enforcer, Bonafide, Supernatural 100, Praxis 9D8. I'd probably take a good look at the Wrenegade 102 as well if you don't mind going a bit wider.

 

As I also approach the day I'd have to find a replacement for my P98, I'd probably be looking at something with more tail, flatish design. Something like the old Nordica Hell&Back, Mantra. So looking at a current skis, the wrenegade 102 is probably top on my list as long as they build a 171cm.

post #6 of 22

We tested a lot of skis in this category this past February.  There are so many options that it can become relatively overwhelming.

 

I thought with the addition of carbon the new Bonafide was noticeably better in practically all situations than the previous models.  Still holds and edge phenomenally well on harder snow, but the reduced swing weight and slightly softer tips made it feel a lot more maneuverable in tight trees, etc.  I also was on the longest length, which at 5'10" 150 lbs is quite a lot of ski, but I was impressed how easily it was to manipulate.

 

The other ski that I thought really shined in this category, and has been mentioned in this thread, is the Kastle FX95 Ti.  Overall I felt the two skis felt very similar, maybe giving a slight edge to the Kastle, but that's at least reflected in the price.

 

When you are putting an emphasis on hard snow performance, while still retaining good float, maneuverability, etc, the FX95 Ti and the new Bonafide are hard to beat.

post #7 of 22

A few years ago, I demo'ed about 17 to 18 different skis in the 95 to 105 waist width category.  The Prophet 98 was one of my favorites (demo'ed it 3 times), but finally went with the Head Rev 98.  If it matters, I'm 5'9.5" and 185# and selected the 177 Rev 98.

 

Compared to the Prophet 98, I felt the Rev 98 was better off-piste.  Comparing the two skis:

 

* The Rev 98 wide tip planes up out of fresh powder better than the Prophet 98's tip, so I like the R98  much better in fresh powder than the P98.

* The Rev 98 is more nibble, which means it's easier to pivot in tight places than the Prophet 98

* The Rev 98 is probably a little stiffer than the Prophet 98, although I found both skis to be excellent in PNW crud

* The Prophet 98 was better on groomed slopes than the Rev 98, although the R98's groomed snow performance improved greatly after I put my own 1&2 tune on it (I have a nice collection of tuning tools)

 

Other similar skis to the Prophet 98 and Rev 98 that I liked during my testing were the Blizzard Bonefide and Nordica Enforcer.  The Volkl Mantra and Rossignol Experience 98 were also really nice skis and somewhat similar to the Prophet 98, just too stiff for me.  All these skis have been redesigned since I demoed them.  Here's what I know about the new versions...

 

* The Head Rev 98 has been replaced by the new Monster 98.  Supposedly the new Monster 98 is an upgrade over the R98, which I find to be rather amazing.  The Rev 98 can still be bought new at a discount, although good luck trying to demo it.

* The new Nordica Enforcer is an upgrade over the older Enforcer - don't know how

* See Ski Essentials post above about the new Bonefide

* The Volkl Mantra has been redesigned, making it softer in flex

* The Rossignol Experience 98 has been replaced by the Experience 100.  Supposedly the Experience 100 skis better off-piste than the E98 and may be softer in flex.  The Experience 98 was really good on-piste, perhaps the best of the group that I tested, but I found other skis to be better for me off-piste.

 

Unfortunately, I never got a chance to demo the Rev 85.  However, what I've been able to read is that the Rev 98 is stiffer in flex than the Rev 85 - YMMV.

post #8 of 22
Thread Starter 

Thanks!  I was initially looking at the Motive 95 (leaning that way - glad to see you give it some love), Line SN 100 (because I liked the P98), Head Rev 98 (from last year & because I love the Rev 85 - but see nothing but bad reviews) & the Enforcer (because it is back :) ).

 

If I wanted to really change it up and get a fun, playful, nimble ski for trees, etc...   is the Pinnacle still your top dog?  TST?  Q98?  Just curious - not sure I will got his way --- still really like what I am hearing on the Motive.

 

Thanks in advance!

post #9 of 22
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If I wanted to really change it up and get a fun, playful, nimble ski for trees, etc...   is the Pinnacle still your top dog?  TST?  Q98?  Just curious - not sure I will got his way

Blizzard Regulator, ON3P Kartel 98 is propably where I'd be looking at.
post #10 of 22
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Anyone have any experience with Head Venturi 95?
post #11 of 22
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@Philpug I potentially have a line on some good deals for the following 4 skis.  Hoping to be my mid ski in the quiver that is more playful than my prophets were.  Any feedback or thoughts on these?

 

  • Salomon Rocker2 100
  • K2 Shreditor 102
  • Nordical Soul Rider 
  • Head Venturi 95

 

Thanks in advance!  Would love to get a good ski at a killer deal!

post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by prophet98 View Post
 

@Philpug I potentially have a line on some good deals for the following 4 skis.  Hoping to be my mid ski in the quiver that is more playful than my prophets were.  Any feedback or thoughts on these?

 

  • Salomon Rocker2 100
  • K2 Shreditor 102
  • Nordical Soul Rider 
  • Head Venturi 95

 

Thanks in advance!  Would love to get a good ski at a killer deal!

Honestly, I spent the past amount of time on the Head but the other three are great skis. I had the Rocker2 100 as a Steals & Deals winner in the past. The Shreditor 102 is a mainstay in the K2 line and the Soul Rider has been a darling here if the Epic crew for a number of years. Hell, it it came down to graphics, there is not a bad choice in the bunch. 

post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by prophet98 View Post
 

@Philpug I potentially have a line on some good deals for the following 4 skis.  Hoping to be my mid ski in the quiver that is more playful than my prophets were.  Any feedback or thoughts on these?

 

  • Salomon Rocker2 100
  • K2 Shreditor 102
  • Nordical Soul Rider 
  • Head Venturi 95

 

Thanks in advance!  Would love to get a good ski at a killer deal!

 

If you want it to have harder snow ability, groomed, off piste, bumps and decent float for up to 6" The Fischer 95 which can be readily had for $370 is the winner here.  Hands down I may say; the Soulrider is second.  I would take the 100 off the list due to its decisively off-piste preference, the K2 Schreditor is soft, just warning you but I did not ski it so I cant really judge it.  The Soul Rider was one of my favorites and its a blast to ski. For my tastes, it has a bit too much tail rocker YMMV.  I have not skied the Venturi, again, its also rather soft flexing.

post #14 of 22

The Venturi 95 is just a bit more of a "serious" ski......beefy, damp, slightly heavy, good on the hardpack, good in the chop, decent in the soft stuff with its slight fore/aft rocker.  I found the Soul Rider to be fun in the soft stuff, lighter and more snappy, much more playful than the Head, but also not as unflappable on the hardpack.

post #15 of 22

While don't have experience with any of the other skis that have been suggested, I can give a big thumbs up to Bonafides.

 

I went to the Bones last season from P90s (which I assume share at least some traits with P98) and am very pleased with the switch. While I sometimes miss the forgiving and laid-back nature of the P90, in my opinion, the Bonafides, while considerably more demanding, are more confidence-inspiring and versatile.I've had great days on packed powder groomers, in the trees, on chop and even on eastern hardpack on the Bones. I could say the same about the P90s but the Bonafides seem to take challenging terrain and differing conditions more in stride. The only caveat I have with the Bones is that they demand that a mediocre skier like me use his best technique at all times. Failure to do so (like when you're tired at the end of the day), inevitably results in pretty severe punishment by the skis.

 

Based on the reviews I've seen, it looks like the 2016 Bonafides have made same marginal but noticeable and useful improvements to what has been a very good ski for a number of years running.

post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

If you want it to have harder snow ability, groomed, off piste, bumps and decent float for up to 6" The Fischer 95 which can be readily had for $370 is the winner here.  Hands down I may say; the Soulrider is second.  I would take the 100 off the list due to its decisively off-piste preference, the K2 Schreditor is soft, just warning you but I did not ski it so I cant really judge it.  The Soul Rider was one of my favorites and its a blast to ski. For my tastes, it has a bit too much tail rocker YMMV.  I have not skied the Venturi, again, its also rather soft flexing.

Thanks! Venturi is ugly smile.gif but gets decent reviews and I do like the Head skis I have and have been on in the past. I have been leaning towards the soul rider as it seems to be a good blend of all (piste, off piste, trees, playful) based upon what I read. The 100 seems to be more off piste yet still playful. Gonna see what deals I can get but good to know I won't go too wrong with any of them.
post #17 of 22
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Thanks! Venturi is ugly smile.gif but gets decent reviews and I do like the Head skis I have and have been on in the past. I have been leaning towards the soul rider as it seems to be a good blend of all (piste, off piste, trees, playful) based upon what I read. The 100 seems to be more off piste yet still playful. Gonna see what deals I can get but good to know I won't go too wrong with any of them.

my only complaint about the Soul Rider is its not bred for hardsnow and there's too much tail rocker. I skied the 184(IIRC) and it skied more like a 178-180.  Otherwise, it is fun. 

post #18 of 22
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my only complaint about the Soul Rider is its not bred for hardsnow and there's too much tail rocker. I skied the 184(IIRC) and it skied more like a 178-180.  Otherwise, it is fun. 

But the Soul Rider is great on groomers, you can really carve it there, hard charging or slow.  I found it can turn quicker (shorter radius) when you drive forward, bigger turns when you ski it more centered.  Very responsive.  Great in bumps.  Playful, forgiving.  Fun ski, a favorite demoing last year.  

post #19 of 22
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But the Soul Rider is great on groomers, you can really carve it there, hard charging or slow.  I found it can turn quicker (shorter radius) when you drive forward, bigger turns when you ski it more centered.  Very responsive.  Great in bumps.  Fun ski, a favorite demoing last year.  

I dont disagree, the OP had commented on having a ski that was good on hardsnow, its not a strength of the SR. The amount of rocker is subjective of course.  

post #20 of 22
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I dont disagree, the OP had commented on having a ski that was good on hardsnow, its not a strength of the SR. The amount of rocker is subjective of course.  

Thanks @Finndog! The SR sounds like a good fit for that playful all mountian mid quiver ski. I am 6' 215 - does that change anything? Thinking 185 length. I almost pulled the plug on the Motive 95 but it did not seem quite as light and playful and I like to take my Rev 85's as far as I can. Wanted a clear deliniation.
post #21 of 22
Im 6 170 and skied thet 185. I have some reservations about 215 on that ski. Hopefully others will chime in.
post #22 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks. A fun playful all mountain ski @ 215 pounds may be a bit trickier than I thought. Maybe I should lose those lbs that my wife keeps reminding me of! smile.gif
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