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Just did screenshots of all the clickable links in the Mammoth Ski Patrol's Aerial Atlas  (http://patrol.mammothmountain.com/Atlas/AtlasIndex/AtlasIndex.html), including path information.   Here they are, all in one post:).  Collectively, this shows nearly all of Mammoth's steeps.  
 
Here's the overall Atlas:

 

And here are the individual sections:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A duplicate of the above pic of the Wipeouts/Scotty's/Paranoids, without the path info., so you can see the trails:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chemist, thanks for that...  Some of the numbers seem a bit 'wrong',  which may be just some inconsistent way of picking the start and end of runs... most obvious are the vertical & run lenghts numbers...

a couple examples:

 

Climax - vertical is shown as 650 ft with length of 1400 ft - it ends pretty much where Upper Dry Creek ends, Upper Dry Creek starts significantly lower and is 2100 ft vrt & 8,000 ft length - ok if you combine Upper & Dry Creek & Lower and go to the Mill, then maybe you get 2100 ft vrt and 8,000 length - but that way overstates what Upper Dry Creek really is...

 

take the wipeouts... at  1750 vertical and 6000 ft length - where would that end point be ??? St Anton or chair 23 loading at 1750 ft below Chair 23 top ? not likely and nowhere at 6000 ft length.  then moving over to Scottys and paranoids - where do those numbers lead to ?  Scotts ends 3/4 mile down somewhere - where would that be?

 

and Cornice at 1500 vert &  6000 ft length ? where would that be, what am I missing - that 25% avg for over a mile ! ?   Dave's mostly being the same overall is only 600 vert & 2000 ft length (2000 might be stretching it a bit...) ... and cornice needs to be renamed to 'bowling alley' ...

 

incline measurements are hugely affected by the snow/depth. Back when the 50ft season happened, most blacks were mostly Blue. Even now, this year, many blacks are so filled in they really are adv-int for the most part. 

 

Anyway, the numbers just don;t seem to be consistent. I think it's fair to measure from the start/top to where a run/face hits either a drainage run or a lift, for the chair 23 faces, that would be either St Anton or bot of chair 23 (which would not be the case for Scottys or over towards Phillipes...  their drainage is lower, but not all the way to mainlodge).

 

anyway numbers are numbers and not the experience.

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Oh, and it was a very nice, very mellow weekend up there.  Nice to have 3 days of sunshine, much nicer snow than expected and less that 40+ mph wind (which has seemed to be the construct of most of my season - not complainin, I like real Winter)  and having a soft, cuddly 3 days was a welcome change...  :)

post #453 of 656
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Chemist, thanks for that...  Some of the numbers seem a bit 'wrong',  which may be just some inconsistent way of picking the start and end of runs... most obvious are the vertical & run lenghts numbers...

a couple examples:

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Good points.   I didn't get around to looking that closely at the numbers, except for noting an 85 degree entry on Bear Center that I'm guessing is a typo.  Or maybe not—I should go look and see.  :eek

 

If you're interested, you might try calling ski patrol and asking them about the discrepancies you noticed.

 

Hopefully there aren't equivalent problems with the spots they've indicated for shot placements --- after all, we don't want them shelling McCoy.  :D 

 

 

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incline measurements are hugely affected by the snow/depth. Back when the 50ft season happened, most blacks were mostly Blue. Even now, this year, many blacks are so filled in they really are adv-int for the most part. 

 

Could you explain that? I know that short sections of double blacks, particularly ones with choke points that collect snow, can have their pitch altered by a deep base.   But how can a deep base significantly reduce the average pitch of a typical black, like Cornice, Scotty's, or Fascination?  It seems you'd need to have a significantly deeper base at the bottom than the top, but even then it doesn't seem like it would change the numbers that much.  

 

I'll add I don't personally notice any difference in the pitch of those trails between this year and last.   But perhaps I'm not very sensitive to that attribute.

post #454 of 656
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My guess is that you have to use up "Free" days before the 50% discount kicks in.

 

That's correct... here's how it's phrased on the MCP website FAQ :

 

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 How do I purchase a 50% off ticket at each destination?

 

After you have redeemed your two days at a member destination, simply go to the ticket window at that destination and present your Mountain Collective Pass.

 

So the 50% off is after you use your included days.

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The MMSP atlas that @chemist posted is excellent, but there are a few discrepancies and typos. Here is a side chute that is named on the atlas, but not the trail map, anybody know this one??? Photo taken 3/26/14. Hint: If you had only one Chuck Taylor...                

post #456 of 656
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The MMSP atlas that @chemist posted is excellent, but there are a few discrepancies and typos. Here is a side chute that is named on the atlas, but not the trail map, anybody know this one??? Photo taken 3/26/14. Hint: If you had only one Chuck Taylor...                


Is that Sneaker Right, with Canyon Express faintly visible in the background?

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@chemist got it! Here is another, I have no clue, but I do know the name and whereabouts.                                                         

post #458 of 656
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Originally Posted by chemist View Post
 

Good points.   I didn't get around to looking that closely at the numbers, except for noting an 85 degree entry on Bear Center that I'm guessing is a typo.  Or maybe not—I should go look and see.  :eek

 

If you're interested, you might try calling ski patrol and asking them about the discrepancies you noticed.

 

Hopefully there aren't equivalent problems with the spots they've indicated for shot placements --- after all, we don't want them shelling McCoy.  :D 

 

 

Could you explain that? I know that short sections of double blacks, particularly ones with choke points that collect snow, can have their pitch altered by a deep base.   But how can a deep base significantly reduce the average pitch of a typical black, like Cornice, Scotty's, or Fascination?  It seems you'd need to have a significantly deeper base at the bottom than the top, but even then it doesn't seem like it would change the numbers that much.  

 

I'll add I don't personally notice any difference in the pitch of those trails between this year and last.   But perhaps I'm not very sensitive to that attribute.

 

well, my perception (seat-O-Da-Buttmeter)  is that once snow levels start stackin up in the upper faces, the fill from the lower areas takes away some of the 'pitch' of the mid-section areas,

like in Climax, where the upper sections are generally more gentle and pitch increase a bit as you get to the mid-sections. Because wind-fill seems to work down into those Mid-Sections quite a bit, they seem to be less contentous when it comes to picking 'line' and so 'easier' ?  Again it's perception...

Certainly, some chutes like Hangmans and Para4/Phillipes seem more difficult until they start filling in a bit more Mid-season.

Just my perception...

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@chemist got it! Here is another, I have no clue, but I do know the name and whereabouts.                                                         

 

 
Nice - been a long time since we've had snow like this - even this year hasn't given this kind of 'patina' to the hill - I am stumped... but again, unless it's somewhere way over on Dragon's tail, I can only think this might be on lincoln...

thanks, do give the locale - I need to get re-acquainted with this ...  ;)

post #459 of 656
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My guess is that you have to use up "Free" days before the 50% discount kicks in.

 

Good question about the other mountains now included together with Mammoth.  Situation is different from Alta/Snowbird since that requires getting a combo pass and paying 50% off the combo lift ticket, even if only skiing one place on a given day.

 

Got to use the free days first.  I asked that specific question and that's what I was told.  You can't save them.

post #460 of 656
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Got to use the free days first.  I asked that specific question and that's what I was told.  You can't save them.

That is a bummer. I'm thinking about taking a chance of skipping the MCP this year and hope Costco still sells their 4 day Mammoth pass for 300 early in the year. If I'm lucky, they have a Big Bear pass too. I don't foresee myself traveling to other resorts next year but I hope to get in 8 Mammoth days and 4 local days

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That is a bummer. I'm thinking about taking a chance of skipping the MCP this year and hope Costco still sells their 4 day Mammoth pass for 300 early in the year. If I'm lucky, they have a Big Bear pass too. I don't foresee myself traveling to other resorts next year but I hope to get in 8 Mammoth days and 4 local days


That $699 Cali4nia pass might be worth it.  If you can add a couple of more days ... even this season ... it becomes a sure thing.

post #462 of 656

@moreoutdoor , it is on Lincoln, and it's called Stope. The pic was from February 17th, 2016... a free refills day.                                  

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That $699 Cali4nia pass might be worth it.  If you can add a couple of more days ... even this season ... it becomes a sure thing.

For me, the cost is 750(New Cali Pass owner). I'm on the fence still. I know I'll make 2 trips to Mammoth(4 days total) maybe 1-2 more(2-4 more days total) and 4 days to Big Bear.

 

So with Costco(if they don't up the price)

450 for 6 days of Mammoth skiing

190 for 4 days of Big Bear skiing

is 640 can/will make the extra days...I don't know. 

I think I might rely on a few friends to help me with 1-2 Mammoth/BB discounts using their CaliPass instead if they have some extra unused ones.

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@moreoutdoor , it is on Lincoln, and it's called Stope. The pic was from February 17th, 2016... a free refills day.                                  

Oh, right!  looked it up (I'm really bad on both run names and lift names/#s)  and that is the little connector which goes off shaft and allows dropping into the trees at lower Griz.  It's been sooo many years since most of Lincoln has been really skiable, I've completely forgotten about this...

Thanks!  If I get up again this season, I'll definitely check it out on my next slide down shaft....  Thumbs Up

post #465 of 656
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For me, the cost is 750(New Cali Pass owner). I'm on the fence still. I know I'll make 2 trips to Mammoth(4 days total) maybe 1-2 more(2-4 more days total) and 4 days to Big Bear.

 

So with Costco(if they don't up the price)

450 for 6 days of Mammoth skiing

190 for 4 days of Big Bear skiing

is 640 can/will make the extra days...I don't know. 

I think I might rely on a few friends to help me with 1-2 Mammoth/BB discounts using their CaliPass instead if they have some extra unused ones.

There is a $699 lift only pass available until April 4th.  This is not the pass holder only price.

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For me, the cost is 750(New Cali Pass owner). I'm on the fence still. I know I'll make 2 trips to Mammoth(4 days total) maybe 1-2 more(2-4 more days total) and 4 days to Big Bear.

So with Costco(if they don't up the price)
450 for 6 days of Mammoth skiing
190 for 4 days of Big Bear skiing
is 640 can/will make the extra days...I don't know. 


I think I might rely on a few friends to help me with 1-2 Mammoth/BB discounts using their CaliPass instead if they have some extra unused ones.
There is a $699 lift only pass available until April 4th.  This is not the pass holder only price.

I bought the $699 lift only pass last week but upgraded today to $749 full pass upon requests for several buddy passes at Mammoth late April. Don't anticipate using any other benefits.

Still have until 4/4 to decide whether to upgrade further to premium or buy separate MCP. smile.gif
post #467 of 656
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I bought the $699 lift only pass last week but upgraded today to $749 full pass upon requests for several buddy passes at Mammoth late April. Don't anticipate using any other benefits.

Still have until 4/4 to decide whether to upgrade further to premium or buy separate MCP. smile.gif


Can you use the buddy passes this season?  If so, that's a great perk.  Worth it .. if you like your friends.  :D

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I'm still hanging on to the idea that I'll be driving to Mammoth from Phoenix for the 4/15 weekend even though the others who were going to make the trip have all backed out. If I stretch it from a three day to four day trip, I'm considering doing the middle days at Squaw.

Really not ready to call the season over yet.
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Thread Starter 

I'll be up this coming Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday.  If anyone would like to ski together, let me know!  We'll arrange time/place!  And, Jenny...if you come up, I promise to give you a wide berth.   ;)

 

Also planning on Mon-Wed 18th-20th, and again May2-4th (Mon-Wed).  Like Dry Heat said...not ready to call the season over just yet!!

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I'm still hanging on to the idea that I'll be driving to Mammoth from Phoenix for the 4/15 weekend even though the others who were going to make the trip have all backed out. If I stretch it from a three day to four day trip, I'm considering doing the middle days at Squaw.

Really not ready to call the season over yet.

Ever pick up hitch hikers? I may be interested in the Mammoth portion of your trip, if you are looking for co-pilots.

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I'm still hanging on to the idea that I'll be driving to Mammoth from Phoenix for the 4/15 weekend even though the others who were going to make the trip have all backed out. If I stretch it from a three day to four day trip, I'm considering doing the middle days at Squaw.

Really not ready to call the season over yet.

Ever pick up hitch hikers? I may be interested in the Mammoth portion of your trip, if you are looking for co-pilots.

I've picked up hitch hikers, but so far only traveling up/down Little Cottonwood Canyon. :D

post #472 of 656
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There is a $699 lift only pass available until April 4th.  This is not the pass holder only price.

I'm now leaning toward that 699 Cali lift pass only.

I might need to team up with a few of you for a trip or two next year
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Mammoth has two months of skiing left at least. The season is far from over.   We were in Utah for the past week with lots of new snow.  We have some catching up to do at home but plan to be at Mammoth sometime during the week of April 11-15.  I anticipate 2 or 3 more Mammoth trips after that.

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How was skiing in Japan?
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I'll be up this coming Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday.  If anyone would like to ski together, let me know!  We'll arrange time/place!  And, Jenny...if you come up, I promise to give you a wide berth.   ;)

 

Also planning on Mon-Wed 18th-20th, and again May2-4th (Mon-Wed).  Like Dry Heat said...not ready to call the season over just yet!!


 There will be a few bears up there at that time. PM sent

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How was skiing in Japan?

Skied 15 days at Niseko and areas 3-4 hours nearby in Japan Jan1-17. I say it was decent snow .biggrin.gif

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Liz and I skied 12 of those days in Hokkaido.  That new snow chart says it all.  Daily TR's here (about halfway down the first page) http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=5

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Sunrise over the Sherwins:

 

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Skied 15 days at Niseko and areas 3-4 hours nearby in Japan Jan1-17. I say it was decent snow .biggrin.gif

Skied for 15 days in a row???
post #480 of 656
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Still have until 4/4 to decide whether to upgrade further to premium or buy separate MCP

The free MCP days would be half price with Mammoth Premier.   You need to ski 3 other MCP resorts for the MCP to be the better deal.

 

Mammoth has adopted the Vail philosophy of jacking up day ticket prices to induce people to buy season passes or other advance promotions.  So half day at Mammoth under MCP is in the $65 range for weekends now.  So if you're only skiing Mammoth it takes 6 free days on a Mammoth Pass vs. being half price with MCP to make the Mammoth Pass the better deal. So that means 9 days total assuming you're choosing Mammoth for the 3rd free day on MCP.   For every extra MCP resort you visit add 2 to the number of required days to choose Mammoth Pass.

 

In summary:

5-8 days at Mammoth MCP is better deal even if not skiing other resorts.

9+ at Mammoth buy Mammoth Pass if not skiing other MCP resorts

11+ at Mammoth buy Mammoth Premier if skiing 1 other MCP resort

13+ at Mammoth buy Mammoth Premier if skiing 2 other MCP resorts

If skiing 3+ other MCP resorts always buy MCP.  Buy Mammoth Pass if skiing 9+ days at Mammoth

 

I've had a Mammoth Pass for a decade and it's been Premier the past 3 seasons.  My ski days at Mammoth have been volatile so some years it hasn't paid.  Last 10 years Mammoth days: 16,3,4,15,12, 25,9,18,3,4.   I have 8 so far this season and may get another 8 by the end of the season.  I ski Alta/Snowbird every season and usually one other MCP resort (sometimes more).  While the last 2 years would have been better with MCP, this is not predictable in advance for me.  At any rate we hedge our bets by my getting Mammoth Premier and Liz getting MCP.

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