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post #31 of 55
^@segbrown, no, you sound like someone speaking from experience.

Speaking of experience; it would be interesting to hear a long-haul trucker's thoughts on all this. Those guys aren't just recreating, and probably don't like having to explain to their boss why they're late delivering their load because it was a powder day in the front range.
post #32 of 55

And to be honest, I have a ton of friends down here who just accept the delays as the price of doing business, so to speak. They turn on the dvd player for the kids, and surf their phones when they are stopped. Yes, they could spend the extra 2 hr at dinner, but they get home at the same time and are not $75 poorer.  In a way I'm kind of glad people are like this, because they aren't spreading out the delay much, which makes it easier for me when I finally get on the road. 

post #33 of 55
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Where in VA is this? In the dc area they have express lanes that are toll and toll rosds that are always tolled, but not roads that require a toll just during rush hour.

 

Look above at Cantunamunch's post #20 ... possibly converting I-66 inside the beltway to toll/HOV-3 only.

post #34 of 55
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Originally Posted by MT Skull View Post

^@segbrown, no, you sound like someone speaking from experience.

Speaking of experience; it would be interesting to hear a long-haul trucker's thoughts on all this. Those guys aren't just recreating, and probably don't like having to explain to their boss why they're late delivering their load because it was a powder day in the front range.

I think it will help quite a bit on regular days. 3 lanes from Empire is huge as that is where the bottleneck is today.

People can't drive that stretch in the snow, though. It's going to creep along and with the tight lines I think there are going to be plenty of accidents. Most Sunday afternoons it isn't snowing, but dead of winter fully dark with weather may be interesting. I think those right side guard rails are going to get tested early and often....
post #35 of 55
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Look above at Cantunamunch's post #20 ... possibly converting I-66 inside the beltway to toll/HOV-3 only.

Got it.
post #36 of 55

OK, new day, new me.

 

I think most folks who regularly drive the corridor observed some easing of traffic with the opening of the new EB twin (Veteran's) tunnel last year, and I think the additional lane EB between Empire and Hidden Valley (tolled or not) will provide some additional relief. Of course there are still going to be days when there's no getting around the cluster, due to weather, or sheer volume, but most here probably already know the deal and plan accordingly, or just suck it up when it happens.

 

I guess what frustrates me, Summer or Winter, are the folks who call 911 to find out why traffic's at a stand-still. You would not believe some of the calls we receive: 

 

Any given Saturday in July:

"911, where is your emergency?"

"yeah, I'm sitting in stopped traffic wb on Floyd Hill; has there been an accident, or is there construction going on?"

"No Sir, it's just volume"

"No, it has to be something else"

"Sir, do you have a police, fire, or medical emergency?"

 

Any given Saturday or Sunday evening during peak ski season:

"911, where is your emergency?"

"Yeah, I'm sitting on Loveland Pass, trying to get onto EB I-70, and they've got traffic stopped about 2 miles before the on-ramp. What's going on?"

"There is heavy traffic Eastbound from the Eisenhower Tunnel, and a bottle-neck at the merge from Highway 6. CDOT is trying to avoid having vehicles stopped directly under 7 known avalanche paths (the Sisters), and so is holding traffic above them at regular intervals to allow traffic to clear out".

"No, it has to be something else. Is anyone directing traffic at the Highway 6 merge onto I-70?"

"Ma'am, do you have a police, fire, or medical emergency?"

 

I also worked during that April storm with the stuck "ski" boat on Georgetown hill (snowmaggedon 2015). It was a mess for sure, but it could have been a lot worse, and IMO the main reason it wasn't, was because of greatly improved communication between all responding personnel, including CDOT.

 

I'll just throw this out there for folks traveling through Clear Creek: We've recently added text-to-911 capabilities to dispatch, and while a voice call is still the preferred method of communication, there may be times when a SMS message will be the only option due to low signal. Just thought this was worth mentioning, whether it's for yourself, or if you're trying to help out someone else. This system is also meant to address any situation where the caller is unable to speak.

post #37 of 55
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post

How would that work for rental cars then?
Google rental car tolls, and basically the rental system as it is now screws the tourist or visitor on tolls, especially if it's an area with required electronic tolls.

Unless they do some serious planning ahead and creating an account or prebuying a transponder for their destination.

But pretty much a tourist also gets screwed by walk up lift ticket rates so the rental companies aren't the only wolf in town
Edited by raytseng - 9/5/15 at 8:20am
post #38 of 55

It doesn't necessarily vary greatly winter or summer.  Timing is everything.  And holiday weekends can be a nightmare.  The news has been talking about the parking lot that happened yesterday.   

post #39 of 55
If they do this then it should be walled off (like in Chicago) so you must commit at the beginning and not unknowingly see a faster moving lane and take it only to get billed later.
post #40 of 55
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It doesn't necessarily vary greatly winter or summer.  Timing is everything.  And holiday weekends can be a nightmare. 

Truth.

 

People love to hate on the skiers, but the highest volume, and longest delays, on dry roads btw are on July 4th weekend.

post #41 of 55

Right now

 

  Forget Waterworld and Mad Max...I think the future is endless seas of stop and go traffic.

post #42 of 55
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Right now

 

  Forget Waterworld and Mad Max...I think the future is endless seas of stop and go traffic.


You would be amazed to hear how many reports we get of people brandishing firearms on the interstate. The Mad Max reference might not be that much of a stretch.

 

Food for thought the next time any of you are contemplating a little brake-check, or boxing maneuver. You never know what kind of kook you're dealing with out there.

post #43 of 55
I drove for CME out of Vail in the mid 90's and Sunday afternoon's were a parking lot. This has been a growing problem for over 20 year. It's why I haven't accepted aa job transfer to the front range! They need to do something soon
post #44 of 55
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You would be amazed to hear how many reports we get of people brandishing firearms on the interstate. The Mad Max reference might not be that much of a stretch.

 

Food for thought the next time any of you are contemplating a little brake-check, or boxing maneuver. You never know what kind of kook you're dealing with out there.

 

Actually I wouldn't.  Only because recently on the news CSP did a piece on how much road rage was up over the last year in CO.  And it was up by a significant amount.

post #45 of 55

If someone enters the toll lane when the cost is at minimum, will they get to drive at that price no matter how crowded it gets later? Or will the price escalate on them while they're cruising home and they end up paying the $30 anyway?

 

I imagine even at $30 the toll lane would still be faster than the free lanes, but would it be faster enough to justify the cost?

post #46 of 55
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Originally Posted by Morrison Claystone View Post
 

If someone enters the toll lane when the cost is at minimum, will they get to drive at that price no matter how crowded it gets later? Or will the price escalate on them while they're cruising home and they end up paying the $30 anyway?

 

I imagine even at $30 the toll lane would still be faster than the free lanes, but would it be faster enough to justify the cost?

 

I don't quite get the pricing structure myself. Just going to wait and see.

post #47 of 55

Another question I have: Is it going to be priced by segments like US 36, where you can just pay for one out of 10 segments for $3 vs. the whole thing for $30.   That way you can hop in and out of the toll lane depending on how stopped the free lanes are at that point in the road.   If so, I think it will get better usage and could help more with congestion than if you are stuck with the big $30 bill for the entire length.

post #48 of 55
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Originally Posted by Abox View Post

 
Right now



  Forget Waterworld and Mad Max...I think the future is endless seas of stop and go traffic.


You would be amazed to hear how many reports we get of people brandishing firearms on the interstate. The Mad Max reference might not be that much of a stretch.

Food for thought the next time any of you are contemplating a little brake-check, or boxing maneuver. You never know what kind of kook you're dealing with out there.
Oh they're just demonstrating their 2nd Amendment privilege. They're called patriots.
When will we have "Defend Your Lane" laws?

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post #50 of 55
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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post


Google rental car tolls, and basically the rental system as it is now screws the tourist or visitor on tolls, especially if it's an area with required electronic tolls.

Unless they do some serious planning ahead and creating an account or prebuying a transponder for their destination.

But pretty much a tourist also gets screwed by walk up lift ticket rates so the rental companies aren't the only wolf in town

 

This might just require the sticker, and not the transponder. I believe that you can sign up at most of the major grocery store chains.

 

When I had to have a rental this year while my car was being repaired (I live here anyway), all I had to do was go into my account and add the license plate number--and didn't need a sticker--to get the discounted toll rate. The guys at Hertz didn't know squat about how to get around the surcharge.

post #51 of 55
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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post


Google rental car tolls, and basically the rental system as it is now screws the tourist or visitor on tolls, especially if it's an area with required electronic tolls.

Unless they do some serious planning ahead and creating an account or prebuying a transponder for their destination.

But pretty much a tourist also gets screwed by walk up lift ticket rates so the rental companies aren't the only wolf in town

 

This might just require the sticker, and not the transponder. I believe that you can sign up at most of the major grocery store chains.

 

When I had to have a rental this year while my car was being repaired (I live here anyway), all I had to do was go into my account and add the license plate number--and didn't need a sticker--to get the discounted toll rate. The guys at Hertz didn't know squat about how to get around the surcharge.


If you have an EZ-Pass hard case in one state you can use it in many other states.  The sticker transponder we have in our cars for local use do not work out of state.  But getting a hard case was just a matter of requesting one and no added fee.  That's what I take when I drive out of state.  Could be used in a rental car too.

post #52 of 55
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Originally Posted by Morrison Claystone View Post

If someone enters the toll lane when the cost is at minimum, will they get to drive at that price no matter how crowded it gets later? Or will the price escalate on them while they're cruising home and they end up paying the $30 anyway?

I imagine even at $30 the toll lane would still be faster than the free lanes, but would it be faster enough to justify the cost?

I'd think the posted toll price when you enter is what you will pay. That's the way it works here in Virginia with the escalating toll prices. That is the toll prices increase with traffic volume but we pay the toll price of when we enter the toll area.

FWIW I have an EZ Pass transponder I use everyday and I use it everywhere I travel, rental vehicle or not.
post #53 of 55
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I'd think the posted toll price when you enter is what you will pay. That's the way it works here in Virginia with the escalating toll prices. That is the toll prices increase with traffic volume but we pay the toll price of when we enter the toll area.

FWIW I have an EZ Pass transponder I use everyday and I use it everywhere I travel, rental vehicle or not.

 

The issue there is that EZ-Pass is only an north-east/mid-west system. Unfortunately, it doesn't work in CO. 

 

post #54 of 55
Yea there's not 1 system nationwide. You need a fasttrak in sf bay area, ezpass in east, apparently transponder OR stickers in CO.
All with different signup methods

Just like season passes!
post #55 of 55

Here's the deal on Rental Cars using toll lanes/roads in CO:

https://www.expresstoll.com/Pages/HowDoesItWork/RentalCars.aspx

 

You can add a rental car to an existing account and avoid the additional fees and get the cheapest toll rates:

 

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Adding a Rental Car to an ExpressToll Account
 
ExpressToll customers can add a rental car license plate number to their account. To ensure the tolls are properly billed to the account a customer must add the vehicle to the account BEFORE driving on the toll road and include a start and end date for when the car will drive the road
 
Adding a rental plate to an ExpressToll account allows customers to pay the tolls only and avoid the additional fees charged by rental car companies for driving their rental car on a tollroad. Rental cars not properly added to an account are billed through the rental car agency.

 

More about how ExpressToll works:

https://www.expresstoll.com/pages/HowDoesItWork/ExpressToll.aspx

 

It's $35 of pre-paid tolls to setup up an account:

https://www.expresstoll.com/Pages/CreateAccount.aspx

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