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Labor Day Shopping List -- Kastle FX84, Nordica NRGY90, K2 82XTI

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Any input/comparison on these would be appreciated.  

 

Looking for something to bring out when it hasn't snowed for awhile -- somewhat more hard snow & tight bump oriented to complement my K2 Sideshows (90mm waist, 181cm, some tip rocker), but with some versatility for softer & set-up conditions.  I like the Sideshows a lot and they're are all I need for softer snow days.

 

Looking for a good compromise of easy & playful everywhere while still offering a reasonable top end @ speed and in weird conditions / crud.

 

I'm 5'10" 180 lbs., mostly Colorado front range with a fair share of Loveland crud, trees, steeps.  Almost 50 years on skis. Technically solid and moderately aggressive on good days. Kinda wimpy but still mostly solid on other days. More old school ball of foot, shin-to-cuff, narrow stance.

 

177 looks to be a good length in the NRGY90 & K2.  The 176 in FX84 looks to be quite short in comparison -- a good couple of inches shorter that the 177's in the others.  But there's less tip rocker in FX's so maybe they would ski to comparable length?  

 

Quite a bit of tip rocker on NRGY seems like it might be a little vague in initiating?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

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Any input/comparison on these would be appreciated.  

Looking for something to bring out when it hasn't snowed for awhile -- somewhat more hard snow & tight bump oriented to complement my K2 Sideshows (90mm waist, 181cm, some tip rocker), but with some versatility for softer & set-up conditions.  I like the Sideshows a lot and they're are all I need for softer snow days.

Looking for a good compromise of easy & playful everywhere while still offering a reasonable top end @ speed and in weird conditions / crud.

I'm 5'10" 180 lbs., mostly Colorado front range with a fair share of Loveland crud, trees, steeps.  Almost 50 years on skis. Technically solid and moderately aggressive on good days. Kinda wimpy but still mostly solid on other days. More old school ball of foot, shin-to-cuff, narrow stance.

177 looks to be a good length in the NRGY90 & K2.  The 176 in FX84 looks to be quite short in comparison -- a good couple of inches shorter that the 177's in the others.  But there's less tip rocker in FX's so maybe they would ski to comparable length?  

Quite a bit of tip rocker on NRGY seems like it might be a little vague in initiating?

Thanks in advance.

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Here's the question. Why compliment a 90 with another 85-90? It sounds like you want a ski this better edge grip is all, no? I'd be inclined to recommend a few skis that would replace your sidestash and offer the edge grip/performance you're looking for. There are several.
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FWIW (not much), the K2 Rictor 82 xTi's I bought before last season may be my favorite skis in 40 years, at least for the conditions we had last year, which meant my powder skis rarely came out of the locker. It took me a while to adjust to them, but once I did I loved them. If you have access to a great deal on them (I paid $234 in wrapper), then the 177 would be the right length. Doesn't mean they're better than the other skis you are looking at, which I have never been on.
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More old school ball of foot, shin-to-cuff, narrow stance.

If true, and can't quite figure what you mean by "narrow stance," not sure you'll love any of them. The FX84's will ski long, yes, and should be a bit more amenable to old school style than the Nordies because they have a very mild early rise and lots of camber, not super deep sidecut. Cannot speak to the Sideshows. All will be forgiving and versatile.

 

But a narrow stance on modern shapes is kinda a waste of the skis' potentials. And the FX, at least, is a lot of $$ to be used at half of what it's got to give. OTOH if you mean you ski with old school forward pressure and say keep your skis a foot apart, that's a better fit, although IMO still not quite squeezing out what the skis could do. 

 

I suspect that you want the K2's for their flex, so the width overlap is not quite as egregious as markojp thinks. But that said, agree you could make some better choices with something more in the high 70's. Colorado in this century can get pretty icy, and it ain't gonna get better in our lifetimes, y'know...

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More old school ball of foot, shin-to-cuff, narrow stance.

If true, and can't quite figure what you mean by "narrow stance," not sure you'll love any of them.

 

I read that to mean 'mogul-skier-wide'  :eek:dunno:eek

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Thread Starter 

Thank you all for the input so far.  In response to a couple of comments >>>>

 

Here's the question. Why compliment a 90 with another 85-90? It sounds like you want a ski this better edge grip is all, no? 

 

Based on some limited experience I don't think 90mm waist is too much for hard snow.  I threw the NRGY90 into the mix because I have tried the Steadfast and found it could dig trenches like there's no tomorrow.  Pretty quick, too, and great in softer bumps.  But the stiff forebody got a little punishing in very firm bumps and since I'm just coming off cervical spine surgery I think can use a ski with a little more give up front.  From what I've have read, the NRGY might still have some of that Nordica meat, but with a little more give.  As noted in original post though, my concern w/ the NRGY is whether or not that much rocker will make the tip too vague.  

 

I am open to something more in the low 80's like the 82XTI.  But I also know that a softer high 70's ski like my old Recons just collapse under me.  Anything in the 80-90mm range is a candidate. I doubt if 5mm of difference in waist width either way makes as much difference as the total combined design of flex, sidecut, taper, profile, etc.

 

 

I'd be inclined to recommend a few skis that would replace your sidestash and offer the edge grip/performance you're looking for. There are several.  

 

Tell me, o wise one:). Open to other suggestions.  Not locked into any of the 3 mentioned.  Just trying to keep it simple, with models that I expect to see some good pricing on.

 

If true, and can't quite figure what you mean by "narrow stance," not sure you'll love any of them.

 

Ouch !!  I'm not Stein Erikson w/ legs strapped together.  But I'm not a race carver w/ feet 24-30" apart with hip to snow either.  Feet are probably 8-12" apart, more as needed to get a good high edge angle when needed. Pretty sure my stance and ability are adequate to take advantage of newer technology.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I'd be inclined to recommend a few skis that would replace your sidestash and offer the edge grip/performance you're looking for. There are several.  

 

Tell me, o wise one:). Open to other suggestions.  Not locked into any of the 3 mentioned.  Just trying to keep it simple, with models that I expect to see some good pricing on.

 

 

 

 

I think you're on the right track with picking up a close out FX 84. A couple of others that come to mind... If you have a wad of cash burning a whole in your pocket, the Stockli SR 88 might be at the top of the list. Another nice ski that could fill the bill is the Dynastar Powertrack 89. I think you might like how it releases in the bumps a little better than something like a Rossi E-88. The Dynastar is just a really fun ski... playful without being squirrelly and a blast in the bumps. 

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Thanks.  Goin' shopping........

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