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post #1 of 19
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Hi,
Was browsing Kastle's website and saw the new 85s HP and regular. The HPs now have Titanium, making it a stiffer ski? Who would benefit more from the non titamium? And would it affect it's performance in softer snow/off piste? I am bearing down on age 60 and would like to demo them. Also like their looks too, along with them being less $$$ than the MX line. Since Kastle are, as you all say "The Porsche of Skis", would the non titanium handle easier to ski when not pushed, not skiing aggressively, as the Kastle's are made to do?
Thanks
post #2 of 19

The reviews of the new FX's are all over the board and somewhat polarizing. There are some here who feel they are some of the best skis for next season and some who don't. I am in the latter camp. I actually liked the non titanium models better, I found they were a bit more playful and nimble. Both of the skis are as smooth as you would expect a Kastle to be but they do not have the bite or preciseness that the outgoing series has. They might be better skis but I am not sure they are better Kastles. 

post #3 of 19

FWIW, no ski in existence is made with Titanium, whatever the ads or mags say. It's waaay too expensive and not particularly light. AFAIK they all use Titanal, which is an aluminum alloy without an atom of Titanium. (Look it up at a metallurgy site if you don't believe me.) All marketing hype. Also AFAIK, Kastle has always used the same alloy, so the only change from the FX84 to HP85 is that the metal is 1 mm thicker now (.5 mm sheets instead of .4). I'd guess the change in shape (rear early rise, different sidecut, more front rise, etc) will have far more impact, if the early reviews of the 95 and 105 are accurate. They say that those models ski somewhat differently, but in the opposite direction you'd expect from talking about more metal; new models are touch easier to initiate and maneuver, touch less stability on hardpack or dense snow. Given that the old FX84 was a very maneuverable ski to begin with, the new model must be a real trip in tight spaces. 

 

Keep in mind that a ski gets its stiffness mostly from wood and glass; the metal is primarily a dampener. Secondarily, it gives you more torsional stiffness than wood at the same mm of thickness. (But when most people talk about "stiffness," they think about longitudinal flex anyway, which is only a piece of the puzzle.) And there are plenty of all wood models that are stiff as hell. The outgoing all wood BMX108, for instance, is apparently more of a basher than the incoming BMX HP105. Cannot speak for the new one, but the old one was a serious ski. 

post #4 of 19
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FWIW, no ski in existence is made with Titanium, whatever the ads or mags say.

 Are you sure the Volants weren't titanium? They sure did kill drill bits like they were titanium.

post #5 of 19
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Thanks for the reply. Playful and nimble is what I would like(I guess). I am not an expert skier like you guys and probably wouldn't know the difference. I am looking for something easy to ski on when not ripping up the mountain. And something easy to make quick, short, tight turns. Unless it's the indian, not the arrow and with lessons, can do that with any ski(FX95?). I hope at 235lbs, 6", will not be too heavy for these. I know this sound crazy, yet being part Austrian, having Austrian friends and relatives living there, I want an Austrian ski. I can get Fischers or Atomics for less money, yet love the looks of the Kastles.
post #6 of 19

Not dead certain about Volants, should have said, "currently being sold." But AFAIR, Volants were steel shells. Could be wrong. If they were Titanium, they were a major bargain. 

post #7 of 19
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Thanks for the reply. Playful and nimble is what I would like(I guess). I am not an expert skier like you guys and probably wouldn't know the difference. I am looking for something easy to ski on when not ripping up the mountain. And something easy to make quick, short, tight turns. Unless it's the indian, not the arrow and with lessons, can do that with any ski(FX95?). I hope at 235lbs, 6", will not be too heavy for these. I know this sound crazy, yet being part Austrian, having Austrian friends and relatives living there, I want an Austrian ski. I can get Fischers or Atomics for less money, yet love the looks of the Kastles.

Appreciate your brand loyality. Was in Austria last fall; beautiful place. IMO, you'd probably really like the HP 85's if you mainly ski groomers, the 95's if you do over 1/3 off piste. You might take a look at the reviews of the Fischer Motives, though. Not only a lot cheaper, but I'd guess very close in performance, just different feel (livelier). 

post #8 of 19

Volants we stainless steel. to the OP, for your size and wanting to stay Austrian, hale a look at the Head Monster 83 and 88 in this "eighty something" range they might give you more of what you are looking for. 

post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by Alohaed View Post

Hi,
Was browsing Kastle's website and saw the new 85s HP and regular. The HPs now have Titanium, making it a stiffer ski? Who would benefit more from the non titamium? And would it affect it's performance in softer snow/off piste? I am bearing down on age 60 and would like to demo them. Also like their looks too, along with them being less $$$ than the MX line. Since Kastle are, as you all say "The Porsche of Skis", would the non titanium handle easier to ski when not pushed, not skiing aggressively, as the Kastle's are made to do?
Thanks


I really loved the FX85 HP and I skied it in a length longer than I'd usually go.  That being said, I'd go with the 165 (for me)but the 173 was what was available to test. 

post #10 of 19

Here are snippets from my reviews last year at SIA regarding the FX85 and FX85HP. I skied a few other Kästles as well, the FX95 and the BMX105, and the common themes were 1. smooth!, 2. quick!!, and 3. Iwanttogoreallyfastonthesethings. Do keep in mind I'm 5'9" 140lb. 

 

 

First from this tent was the Kästle FX85 (173), which I took to the top of mountain. I found no deep snow, but did manage some minor crud and chalk on a steep pitch or two that I regularly ski. This one was so easy to ski, my initial comment was “it’s like cheating.” Possibly the most fun I’ve had in moguls, ever. Just super quick and slithery, but still held like a champ on the groomed. I suspect it has a speed limit compared to the others, but I didn’t test it.

 

 

After lunch I did get on the Kästle FX85HP (173), which was predictably similar to the nonmetal 85, but not as slithery in bumps. It was more zoom-zoom race car quick than jackrabbit quick. I would have liked to ski it next to my MX83. I think some of you who are a little scared off by the seriousness of the MX would really enjoy the FX85. 

 

 

I am actually seriously considering getting the FX85 for this season: not sure if I want to sell the MX83 or not, but that FX was SO fun in moguls, and we have lots of those around here. MX isn't bad in moguls, but I have to think about it. FX just went. Like I said at first, it felt like cheating. So if you are looking for quick and nimble, I think it will be perfect. I just am not sure about HP or not, since you are bigger than I am. 

post #11 of 19

Alohaed, since your bearing down on age 60 why not let that be a factor in your selection process. It seems that the HP may have to be pushed hard to extract the benefit of the metal while the FX85 may be a smoother ride when not being pushed. That's not to say the FX is not a high performance ski but as you note a demo would be a great idea. Kastle's are great skis but you still have to pick the right one for where and how you ski or you won't be happy with it.

If you are 6 ft tall and 235 lbs you probably want the 181 cm length which according to the Kastle web site has a 19m radius, not exactly quick, tight turns. The 173 cm is listed at 17 m radius. By comparison the CMP82 has a 17.5 m radius at a 180 cm length.

BTW both the HP and CMP use two sheets of Titanal. Titanal is an alloy of aluminum containing zinc, magnesium, copper, zirconium.

 

No matter what skis you get lessons will help you get the most out of them.

post #12 of 19
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Volants we stainless steel. to the OP, for your size and wanting to stay Austrian, hale a look at the Head Monster 83 and 88 in this "eighty something" range they might give you more of what you are looking for. 


Weren't the titanim ones actual titanium?

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

Volants we stainless steel. to the OP, for your size and wanting to stay Austrian, hale a look at the Head Monster 83 and 88 in this "eighty something" range they might give you more of what you are looking for. 


Weren't the titanim ones actual titanium?

Just a section of the ski, small portions. 

post #14 of 19
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The reviews of the new FX's are all over the board and somewhat polarizing. There are some here who feel they are some of the best skis for next season and some who don't. I am in the latter camp. I actually liked the non titanium models better, I found they were a bit more playful and nimble. Both of the skis are as smooth as you would expect a Kastle to be but they do not have the bite or preciseness that the outgoing series has. They might be better skis but I am not sure they are better Kastles. 

Phil, 

 

in the above comment, are you specifically referring to the new FX85 or the previous FX84 (2014/2015) or the older model? I am just curious. I usually demo my skis before buying but  I got a 60% deal on a 2015 FX84 that I never demoed -  I know!!!!

 

Thanks

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

The reviews of the new FX's are all over the board and somewhat polarizing. There are some here who feel they are some of the best skis for next season and some who don't. I am in the latter camp. I actually liked the non titanium models better, I found they were a bit more playful and nimble. Both of the skis are as smooth as you would expect a Kastle to be but they do not have the bite or preciseness that the outgoing series has. They might be better skis but I am not sure they are better Kastles. 

Phil, 

 

in the above comment, are you specifically referring to the new FX85 or the previous FX84 (2014/2015) or the older model? I am just curious. I usually demo my skis before buying but  I got a 60% deal on a 2015 FX84 that I never demoed -  I know!!!!

 

Thanks

 

Yes, referring to the FX84. That is a great ski too. 

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Phil, 

 

in the above comment, are you specifically referring to the new FX85 or the previous FX84 (2014/2015) or the older model? I am just curious. I usually demo my skis before buying but  I got a 60% deal on a 2015 FX84 that I never demoed -  I know!!!!

 

Thanks

Own it, love it........  fantastic ski that is every bit as good as the much applauded and awarded FX94, just narrower which makes it even easier in the bumps and quicker edge-to edge.  The FX84 suffered from the same Kastle length issues as other great kastle models and for some reason, Kastle chose to have it reviewed under the "womens" section which makes no sense at all.  I am 170 and ski the 176 and love it;  I would love to have that ski as a 178-180 but its just fine. 

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Own it, love it........  fantastic ski that is every bit as good as the much applauded and awarded FX94, just narrower which makes it even easier in the bumps and quicker edge-to edge.  The FX84 suffered from the same Kastle length issues as other great kastle models and for some reason, Kastle chose to have it reviewed under the "womens" section which makes no sense at all.  I am 170 and ski the 176 and love it;  I would love to have that ski as a 178-180 but its just fine. 

Thanks for  reinforcing my purchasing last minute decision :) I am 145 lbs 5'9" so I decided to go with the 168cm. 

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Thanks for  reinforcing my purchasing last minute decision :) I am 145 lbs 5'9" so I decided to go with the 168cm. 

they will be just fine!  enjoy

post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
 

FWIW, no ski in existence is made with Titanium, whatever the ads or mags say. It's waaay too expensive and not particularly light. AFAIK they all use Titanal, which is an aluminum alloy without an atom of Titanium. (Look it up at a metallurgy site if you don't believe me.) 

 

Titanal breaks down to approximately: 88.5% aluminium, 1.7% copper, 2.5% magnesium, 7% zinc, and 0.1% zirconium [edit - doesn't add to 100, but they're the numbers I found]. It's comparable to the aluminium used in the aerospace industry.  "Titan" (strong) + "Al" (aluminium).

 

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Thanks for the reply. Playful and nimble is what I would like (I guess). 

 

I managed to demo the FX95 HP and the FX105 HP a few weeks back.  I own the FX94 from 2011.  The new skis are just as described: more playful, more nimble, ski shorter, more versatile across variable conditions but (as a result) less 'ideal' in any one condition.  Additionally (and perhaps importantly) the lengths have been tweaked.  People who were stuck between lengths on the FX94, for instance, will now have an FX95 HP in their preferred length.  For me the 181 was a tad short given the early rise in both tip and tail.

 

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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post
 

Here are snippets from my reviews last year at SIA regarding the FX85 and FX85HP. I skied a few other Kästles as well, the FX95 and the BMX105, and the common themes were 1. smooth!, 2. quick!!, and 3. Iwanttogoreallyfastonthesethings. Do keep in mind I'm 5'9" 140lb. 

 

First from this tent was the Kästle FX85 (173), which I took to the top of mountain. I found no deep snow, but did manage some minor crud and chalk on a steep pitch or two that I regularly ski. This one was so easy to ski, my initial comment was “it’s like cheating.” Possibly the most fun I’ve had in moguls, ever. Just super quick and slithery, but still held like a champ on the groomed. I suspect it has a speed limit compared to the others, but I didn’t test it.

 

After lunch I did get on the Kästle FX85HP (173), which was predictably similar to the nonmetal 85, but not as slithery in bumps. It was more zoom-zoom race car quick than jackrabbit quick. I would have liked to ski it next to my MX83. I think some of you who are a little scared off by the seriousness of the MX would really enjoy the FX85. 

 

 

"It's like cheating" is exactly the feel I had from the old Rossi S3 (186).  Like giant snowblades; I forgot about them being on my feet at all and just skied down the hill.

 

The FX85 HP is a ski I'd like to try.  It strikes me as the ideal travelling ski, where you don't know what conditions will be like but you want to enjoy whatever you get.


Edited by sinbad7 - 9/1/15 at 8:26pm
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