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post #1 of 25
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No, I'm not talking about girls, of course, but skis...

Old love for GS (consumer kind) skis it is what I meant.

In this thread (Is Blizzard out of WC)

http://www.epicski.com/t/134031/is-blizzard-out-of-the-wc/60#post_1866267

 

Tog and Scotskiers were talking about the Blizzard 188/30 FIS.

At the end of last season I had the opportunity to talk to a shop owner who deals only with Blizzard skis and Tecnica boots (a ver ygood on the mountain technical shop, I must say)

and the opportunity to get one of those, one of the last few pairs remained unsold from the 2014-2015 season was in sight.

Alas I thought too long about it and the 188/30 went...

I couldn't go there for a long time and when I was finally able to go,well all left pairs had been sold.

But the shop owner had left three 186/21 WRC still to sell and grabbed one of those (Yes the shop had already the 2015-2016 lineup and was full of 188/30, brand new, but I couldn't afford the price) and gave me a very good deal for those. A deal which, being forever money short (a condition worsened by the multi-ski quiver addiction I got from here) couldn't pass.

So, now I'm again back on GS skis (even if not the FIS spec ones) . My tendency to buy stuff that no one wants because it is perceived "too much" worries me, though.  The shop ordered 5 186/21 WRC in 2014 and sold only two during the season, I contributed to reduce the amount to only 1 pair because a guy who entered the shop after me, listened carefully to our discussion and when I left  said "that deal you gave the guy before me on the Blizzard WRC? I want the same!" The shop owner told me that the next week when Iwent there with my boots to mount the bindingd on "my" skis, adding that the guy is a ski instructor that came from far away to add to his quiver a dayly ski for teaching. So, if it is good enough for an instructor, I guess is good enough for me.

But..will I be good enough for the skis?

 

Cheers.

post #2 of 25
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To clarify further, I'm talking about the model with the Marker WRC piston plate mounted (not the with the suspension plate)

Ufortunately the shop was sold out of Marker comp (except the 20.0 models, which Idecided were a bit too much for me) and had to install the excell comp (16.0)...

post #3 of 25

On the one hand Mr. N, I want to try out your new skis. On the other hand, I think that buying new racing boards is bad luck, it suggests that we might be in for a hard snow year, and you're just a valley or two away from me.

post #4 of 25
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Ciao Mr. P!!!

Ehe, after the disastrous 2014-2015 season, which costed me a badly bruised/injuried (plus three soft stitchs on the nose point and costly repairs on the ski suit) left knee and three weeks stop in January, I decided that my old Hot Rod needed replacement as my daily driver, to ski on that ice layer that was indicated as "snow" at the mountain. Dec and Jan 2014-2015 have been a "ski on man made only snow" at the area.

So a more piste oriented ski was needed (having the Goat/186 for off piste).

Come to Adamello in 2015-2016 (if I will ski at all, that's the big question mark...), the skis will be there for you to try! OR, if I will be able to make it, I will come to Made. I still miss the place so much!

BTW, are you still on those Atomic B.C. that my "spies" are telling me you were skiing last season, for 2015-2016 or have you already "obsoleted" them? ;-)

post #5 of 25
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Well, to be precise, the accident in January occured while skiing on a 2003 pair of Head iSL (165) on hard man made snow/blue ice.

Still my Hot Rod, which have been my daily drive since 2008 (IIRC) have had too many coreshots in the last winter (due to lack of enough natural sno, too mayn rocks were still out on the runs)

To the point that the ski man/shop owner at the above shop, while declaring to still be able to mend the shots doubts that the mending will last.

Computing in that after having had a bad tune in 2013-2014 Iskied onn those for a couple of days with an un-skiability feeling (skis were going all over the place instead that where I was directing them to, probably the edges had been wrongly done, or the planarity of the base was not correct, maybe convex). Despite a free second tune from the shop which did the first (not the same where I have bought the Blizzard from) that feeling never went away for the rest of the season.

So, all in all, Hot Rods are still skiable, but not as daily driver, rather as a rock ski or second choice for those das where I'm unsure wha tI will be going to be/do.

I'm sure that the Hot Rod will be better than the WRc in what passes for moguls here, but given that there are no infinite fields of those, rather patches here and there on the runs, in the most difficult places, I guess I will manage. Also, I found that the HR had now, after few seasons back at 25-40 days of skiing each (More mulling/rambling about that in maybe a future post) a "utilization envelope" which boundaries I was too often reaching and pushing, particularly in the top-speed side of the equation (while skiing GS turns arc to arc, I consistently felt that I could ski faster, but the ski couldn't for safety reasons,  mine and of the other skiers around me)

A suitable replacement for the Hot Rod would have been a 178 cm Latigo (without the plate the Hot Rod has), which I demoed at the end of the 2013-2014 season, flat mounted and found it to be everything the Hot Rod were minus the heaviness due to the plate system binding ù(XBS). That would be my "moguls" ski of choice, but..let's not go there now (If I were to come home with yet another pair of ski like in addition to the WRCs, I guess I would be in real trouble with the missus)

 

Paradoxally, the "speed limit" of the HR plus skiing the 186 Goat in these past seasons, both on piste and off have been the decision triggers. Not that the the Goat aren't good on hard, groomed terrain, in fact I was surprised at how well it skied on that (without pushing too hard), but skiing those (and their longish turn radius). Thus I felt the love for a longer, faster ski piste only oriented to resurface.

So, long live the GS skis.

 

 

 

post #6 of 25

I'm not sure if any of us are qualified to say that you're good enough for these skis, but I'm going to bet you're going to have some serious fun on them.  I'm also going to bet that you're going to amp up your game.  

 

@prickly  has a point.  You may get so much snow that GS Skis will be rendered useless to you. 

 

I can hardly wait to hear how they work for you. 

 

Cheers!

post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
 

I'm not sure if any of us are qualified to say that you're good enough for these skis, but I'm going to bet you're going to have some serious fun on them.  I'm also going to bet that you're going to amp up your game.  

 

@prickly  has a point.  You may get so much snow that GS Skis will be rendered useless to you. 

 

I can hardly wait to hear how they work for you. 

 

Cheers!

Hey, hullo there, TC!

Thanks!

 

Sure I will! 

 

P.S. I demoed the ski two seasons ago, only it was a good 10 cm shorter, still the feeling and the feedback I got then were positive, very positive.

P.P.S I hope that we will get as much snow as the one we got in 2013-2014, not what we got at the beginning of 2014-2015 (almost nil, skiing on man made snow on more than two third of the area) and that I will be using the Goat more than any other ski I have in the roster... :-)


Edited by Nobody - 9/2/15 at 7:03am
post #8 of 25

One of these days I hope to get in touch with you about visiting you with @Philpug 

All the best, TC

post #9 of 25
I have a pair of 186 WRC's. In the 186, it isn't an intermediate ski, but it shouldn't kick a sound skier in the teeth at all. It does what it's designed to do well, and the edge grip is excellent. You didn't mention your size or weight, so it's a little hard to answer if the 186 is too much. And jus a quick note, but the 186 is actually a 24m radius FWIW.
post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
 

One of these days I hope to get in touch with you about visiting you with @Philpug 

All the best, TC

It sounds great!

 

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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

I have a pair of 186 WRC's. In the 186, it isn't an intermediate ski, but it shouldn't kick a sound skier in the teeth at all. It does what it's designed to do well, and the edge grip is excellent. You didn't mention your size or weight, so it's a little hard to answer if the 186 is too much. And jus a quick note, but the 186 is actually a 24m radius FWIW.

I'm not that big..175cmx76ish Kg (today, the funny thig is that, during the winter, the more I ski, the more weight I loose), 49 yo going to be soon 50.

post #11 of 25
At your size, for general rec skiing (no gates), a size shorter would be fine, but you'll make them work. I've also thought about remounting the piston plate a bit forward. Even with the toe at the front of the factory mount, I'd like to be about 2cm more forward to match my 27m FIS ski (Blizzard) mount which I really like.
post #12 of 25
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Oh Marko, thanks for correcting the turn radius. I was using the officially published radius, just because it was the only data I had. Thanks!

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post #13 of 25
... They're not the best bump ski, but ski 8cm of cut up crud nicely.
post #14 of 25

They never have those at demo events! 

post #15 of 25
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They never have those at demo events! 

Which "those" are you referring to?
And where?

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post #16 of 25
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They never have those at demo events! 


Nordica had their topsheet version (the new 15-16 GSR w/piston plate) at Bachelor last spring. Same as the WRC. 

post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

At your size, for general rec skiing (no gates), a size shorter would be fine, but you'll make them work. I've also thought about remounting the piston plate a bit forward. Even with the toe at the front of the factory mount, I'd like to be about 2cm more forward to match my 27m FIS ski (Blizzard) mount which I really like.


Moving the bindings forwards by 2cm makes a very big difference.

 

I can recall riding a fellow ski patroller's 170 AC30's that were mounted 2 cm forwards of the line, and they felt like 155 cm skis, being habituated to my 65 cm skis at the time.  For the first few minutes I kept feeling like I was going to trip over my toes.

post #18 of 25
They're 186's, not 170's. You're comparing apples and radishes.
post #19 of 25

OK, so only 17/19ths as much effect.:rolleyes   Still very noticeable.

post #20 of 25
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OK, so only 17/19ths as much effect.rolleyes.gif    Still very noticeable.

Remind me, have you skied the WRC? No? Imagine that. In general, I find many (not all) Austrian skis mounting points a bit far aft for my preferences. Catch that pronoun? 'My'. Not yours. Not the OP's, or anyone else's... Nor was I recommending for anyone that any follow my lead regarding mounting the WRC. And yes, I expect changes in mounting points to be noticable. If they weren't, there'd be no point, correct? Let's not let our special friendship here on epicski derail a productive thread, eh?
Edited by markojp - 9/2/15 at 11:36pm
post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

At your size, for general rec skiing (no gates), a size shorter would be fine, but you'll make them work. I've also thought about remounting the piston plate a bit forward. Even with the toe at the front of the factory mount, I'd like to be about 2cm more forward to match my 27m FIS ski (Blizzard) mount which I really like.

Interesting. I never gave much of a thought to experiment with the binding mount point. I took the mount as it was wherever the tech was mounting them.

Only exception has been a couple of years ago when I bought the Goat and mounted it with Barons, the shop tech asked me if I preferred them mounted "traditionally centered" or "centered"

(meaning mounted as normal downhill biding or more forward for off piste tricks and jibbing, like landing fakie...to which I replied "traditionally centered"..I don't think I would land a fakie while offpiste, unless unintentionally)

I only used to notice how weirdly aft the binding were mounted on the skis of German and Austrian skiers I was "crossing" during my vacations on the Dolomites (as a kid)

 

Question (to all):

Do you think that ski men, aka shop tech (not "normal" shop tech, I mean those shop tech who have a ski racer assistance and race ski preparation background), would mount

the same skis (take the WRC) differently, in dependance to their "cultural background" (an Italian vs, say an Austrian, vs a French etc) and/or their experience with racers preferencies?

 

I'll make sure to discuss this with the shop tech/shop owner next time I'll be there.

post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

Remind me, have you skied the WRC? No? Imagine that. In general, I find many (not all) Austrian skis mounting points a bit far aft for my preferences. Catch that pronoun? 'My'. Not yours. Not the OP's, or anyone else's... Nor was I recommending for anyone that any follow my lead regarding mounting the WRC. And yes, I expect changes in mounting points to be noticable. If they weren't, there'd be no point, correct? Let's not let our special friendship here on epicski derail a productive thread, eh?

Good point marko. In fact on my head iSl RDs, I am an inch forward! On Fischer go I have also found it better to be 3/4 inch forward. On the FIS blizzard gas skis and the blizzard FIS slaloms though, I have found them to work really well with the standard piston plate position, with the toe in either the front or middle position. ( I am in a 284 bsl) They ski great that way. Have not tried the wrk though. If it needs to move forward it must be different to the previous 182/25
post #23 of 25

Just some fall ski gazing just waiting for the season to arrive... :)

 

 

post #24 of 25
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I forgot to take a pic of mine! As soon as I'll go up at the on-the-hill digging I'll take one!
post #25 of 25
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Here are mine, Marko:

Edited by Nobody - 10/29/15 at 6:46am
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