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Dampest technical ski for 2016?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 


I am, once again, facing up to the fact that at least 15 of my ski days this season will be on the coral reef, refrozen slush complete with carving ruts, frozen groomer tread tracks, and crust with welded-on death cookies. 


Think spring conditions, except we can and do get spring conditions all season.      

Therefore I need a damp technical ski, the damper the better. 

If it is only as damp as last season's iSupershape Rally, I don't need it.

If it is only as damp as a 2012 Stockli Laser SC with a Piston plate - I  don't need it.

If it is only as damp as a D2 GS - I don't need it. 

 

If it is as damp as a Volant Super Karve with an EPBS plate on top - yes please!

 

If you recommend a plate I would prefer one that takes a Solly Driver type toepiece (with maybe a toe lift). 

Whatcha got? 

 

 

EDIT:  Speed not a prime concern.    Ski weight not a concern.    Ski nominal radius not a concern. 


Edited by cantunamunch - 8/29/15 at 10:38am
post #2 of 18
You'll need one of these.
post #3 of 18


" I am, once again, facing up to the fact that at least 15 of my ski days this season will be on the coral reef, refrozen slush complete with carving ruts, frozen groomer tread tracks, and crust with welded-on death cookies." 

 

The Rossignol E100. It has to be the most underrated ski around.  I skied mine on all of the above last winter, plus powder up to 18" deep. It will do it all and have you smiling at the bottom of the mountain, ready to do it again.  I can't wait to get on them again this season!

post #4 of 18
I've got some sticks....

191 Nordica SGj
189 Blossom GS

So damp, they're lacking a pulse....
post #5 of 18

Anton Glider? 

 

post #6 of 18
My waterski is very damp after I take it out of the water.

The Anton Gliders were fun in a mix of firm conditions. They were quite responsive though - not overly damped.

Eric
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by eleeski View Post

My waterski is very damp after I take it out of the water.

The Anton Gliders were fun in a mix of firm conditions. They were quite responsive though - not overly damped.

Eric

Depends how you set them. 

post #8 of 18

 

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Total Isolation

post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 

So...nothing new for 2016, eh. 

post #10 of 18

Rossi Pursuit 800 I demoed them last season great grip, stable, smooth. Here is a reveiw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELCqKU4HvQ0

Tempted to get a pair to replace my Pursuit HP, but would like to try the Pursuit 700 first which is a tiny bit wider and softer and may be more versatile especially in softer snow.

post #11 of 18
Nordica Firearrow 84 Edt isnt enough? Or a Rossi Hero Master? Or blizzard WRC? Something like a Head Rally is many things, but uber damp anx powerful aren't words I'd use to describe it... The Head Monster is damp. In a good way.
post #12 of 18
Monster.

I just spent a week with two VERY strong skiers, women, former top level racers. One's our daughter, the other dates our son.
Both scored FA 84 EDT's last season, and over a bunch of drinks and dinner, both admitted that they just weren't in love with the skis. I was very surprised. My daughter skied hers two days. She said they basically wanted to make the exact same turn, at the same speed, and that about 10 runs of that at Copper wasn't that much fun.

At least our son's GF skied hers 3-4 days....out of 200+ on snow.

Both of them weigh 145-150 lbs, super fit, and very skilled. Skis were 176's....which they had preferred over 172's.

Surprised me as I know a number of guys who seem to love the ski. And these two women would kick their ass on the hill!

I skied the Monster88 and 98 last spring. VERY damp. I think I'm in for a 184cm 88. Love the feel of the ski. For me, much preferred to a Brahma.
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by Muleski View Post


I skied the Monster88 and 98 last spring. VERY damp. I think I'm in for a 184cm 88. Love the feel of the ski. For me, much preferred to a Brahma.

I wouldn't accuse the F/A of being an amazingly versatile ski, that's for sure, and agree whole heartedly about the Monster vs. the Brahma. Try the 108's... It's a good one.
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by Cockalorum View Post
 

Rossi Pursuit 800 I demoed them last season great grip, stable, smooth. Here is a reveiw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELCqKU4HvQ0

Tempted to get a pair to replace my Pursuit HP, but would like to try the Pursuit 700 first which is a tiny bit wider and softer and may be more versatile especially in softer snow.

 

Yep, that skis was ungodly boring. 

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Originally Posted by Muleski View Post

Monster.

I just spent a week with two VERY strong skiers, women, former top level racers. One's our daughter, the other dates our son.
Both scored FA 84 EDT's last season, and over a bunch of drinks and dinner, both admitted that they just weren't in love with the skis. I was very surprised. My daughter skied hers two days. She said they basically wanted to make the exact same turn, at the same speed, and that about 10 runs of that at Copper wasn't that much fun.

At least our son's GF skied hers 3-4 days....out of 200+ on snow.

Both of them weigh 145-150 lbs, super fit, and very skilled. Skis were 176's....which they had preferred over 172's.

Surprised me as I know a number of guys who seem to love the ski. And these two women would kick their ass on the hill!

I skied the Monster88 and 98 last spring. VERY damp. I think I'm in for a 184cm 88. Love the feel of the ski. For me, much preferred to a Brahma.

The Monster 83 with a piston plate...dam...zzzzzzzzzz...oh..mmmmp. 

post #15 of 18

I honestly think you already have - or have tried - the dampest hybrid rec carver out there, the SC. And with a piston plate, at that. The SX might beat it, cannot speak from experience. I have never skied a Volant, so cannot comment on that. The narrower and stiffer Heads (rather than the Rally) will be right there, too. Not a fan of GS skis for rec slopes. 

 

IMHO, though, you're going the wrong direction. You need width for authority in some of the snow conditions you're worried about. A Stockli Stormrider 95 from 2012, which has some early rise, but before the lighter friendlier versions came out, will crush coral reefs and scoff at death cookies. I speak from having owned a pair in 183. There are still some out there new; look for the green and white topsheet. Or if you really want to go all the way, the original SS in 89 mm will pretty much end the discussion for good. Also owned a pair in 178; you can find new 188's (which are pretty much for seriously good skiers who never slow down and don't need no d**n rocker) online. 

 

OTOH, they're both heavy (which is why they crush bad snow) and do not suffer mediocre technique (which is why Stockli switched owners and design philosophy). If you want a touch more forgiveness, the Kastle MX98 is very close in smoothness and a bit easier at moderate speeds because of its rocker and low tip inertia. Still a demanding ski. The MX88, bit more forgiving yet, /still very damp and smooth.  I'd suspect that next year's Head Monsters will be the price-sensitive competition for smoothness. 

 

And if you want legally dead, just mosey over to K2's website. ;) 

post #16 of 18
Thread Starter 

The FA 84 EDT was one of the first skis I thought of.

The Pursuit 800 and Monster 83/88 (and Blossom)  were off my radar, thanks all.

post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
 

IMHO, though, you're going the wrong direction. You need width for authority in some of the snow conditions you're worried about. A Stockli Stormrider 95 from 2012, which has some early rise, but before the lighter friendlier versions came out, will crush coral reefs and scoff at death cookies. I speak from having owned a pair in 183. There are still some out there new; look for the green and white topsheet. Or if you really want to go all the way, the original SS in 89 mm will pretty much end the discussion for good. Also owned a pair in 178; you can find new 188's (which are pretty much for seriously good skiers who never slow down and don't need no d**n rocker) online. 

 

Ironically enough, I had a pair - and let them go after the MCL-meniscus-hamstring tear.   I was  on different skis  when the injury happened but I was seriously worried about being on the Stocklis and having a random abduction destroy the knee the rest of the way ( especially on the kind of snow referenced here). 

EDIT: I went to the battleship graphics TT-188 after that - and enjoyed the rivets off them; they were even surprisingly good in western bumps.


Edited by cantunamunch - 8/29/15 at 11:35pm
post #18 of 18

I'm with @Beyond on wider skis but like GS skis in the resort.  Which D2 GS ski are we forgetting cantunamunch?  FIS? 

 

I go with "out of print" skis for killing the variable like that.

 

Old 2009 XXL's and 2012 Stormrider Pros

 

Both are very quiet and stable, the Stocklis are eerily smooth.  Both need some speed to work.  Both are fun to carve with real tails and more "technical" than you would think at these widths (105 & 109). 

 

I bought a pair of Moment Belefontes but haven't tried them yet, I'm hoping they will be a 2015 answer to the OP's question.

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