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15/16 Bonafide vs Enforcer

post #1 of 22
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I'm replacing my 187 Bones this year.  I loved the ski and it worked great for me in most conditions.  Very occasionally, I wished for a more playful ski in harder/larger bumps, but I was usually happy with my bump performance on these skis.  I was always happy about  the length when charging in steeps or somewhat cruddy conditions.  Groomers were OK, but I have other skis for groomer days.  I was thinking of going with the 180 Bone this year, with the thought that the increased bite of the upgraded model might provide a happy medium place, although I would hate to give up the full-on ability of the ski to deal with whatever I ran across. 

 

On the other hand, I've recently looked at the Enforcer, and the reviews have been quite good.  The 185 seems like a very interesting ski, but I have not actually been on a pair

 

It seems that the Bones would be more stable and have more bite.

The Enforcer would be a bit more playful with an 18 metre radius  instead of the 21 metre radius of the Bones, as well as having slightly softer tails.

The Enforcer would be a bit easier to ski in bumps, although I generally like the Bones in the bumps (with the above proviso)

I suspect that the Bones would perform better on hardpack.

Both would be good in trees.

Both would be decent in pow, but again, I have other skis for pow days.

 

I weigh 170 and am a strong aggressive skier for someone my age (57).  I've skied 40 to 90 days per year for the last ten years, but anticipate skiing more this year.  I ski mostly in Canadian Rockies, but will be living in Bend part time this year, so I'll ski Bachelor a bit.  My other skis include various sl and gs race skis, 178 MX88 (which I think I'll sell this year), Automatics, 186 Line Supernatural 108, and Magnum 8.0 Ti.

 

Any thoughts to help decrease (or perhaps increase) the clutter in my head???

post #2 of 22

Were you just trying to voice your way to clarity? Because, I think you have answered a lot of your own questions.If playfulness is what you are lacking from you 187 Bonafides, the 185 Enforcer is your ticket. 

post #3 of 22
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

Were you just trying to voice your way to clarity? Because, I think you have answered a lot of your own questions.If playfulness is what you are lacking from you 187 Bonafides, the 185 Enforcer is your ticket. 


Probably trying to voice my way to clarity:) But also want to make sure I'm not missing anything. There is always a concern when I have not and probably will not have a chance to test drive.

post #4 of 22

I agree with Phil and think your initial write-up is dead on in comparing the two skis. I own the Bonafide and demoed the new Enforcer.  At 170, 187 strikes me as a little long in the Bonafide (since I have 40 plus pounds on you and ski the same length).  A 185 Enforcer will ski a lot shorter than a 187 Bonafide based on my limited experience with it.

post #5 of 22
Appears to me that you're leaning toward the Enforcer. You will not regret it. I've spent a decent amount of time on the new Enforcer and enjoyed the hell out of every second in every condition I had it in -- 5 to 6" fresh, trees, bumps and groomers. @Philpug is spot on, as usual, with his post.

That said, I was on '12/13 Bones for three years and loved them. I have ~6 days on the '15/16 Bones. The love affair continues but with a more playfulness. They are as serious as the old Bones when wanted but have a more forgiving side as well. They definitely aren't as playful and "slarvy" as the Enforcer. Either way you can't go wrong.
post #6 of 22
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Appears to me that you're leaning toward the Enforcer. You will not regret it. I've spent a decent amount of time on the new Enforcer and enjoyed the hell out of every second in every condition I had it in -- 5 to 6" fresh, trees, bumps and groomers. @Philpug is spot on, as usual, with his post.

That said, I was on '12/13 Bones for three years and loved them. I have ~6 days on the '15/16 Bones. The love affair continues but with a more playfulness. They are as serious as the old Bones when wanted but have a more forgiving side as well. They definitely aren't as playful and "slarvy" as the Enforcer. Either way you can't go wrong.


Thanks - not rally leaning either way or rather, I lean one way for a while and then lean the other way for a while - that's the problem - at least I'm limiting my internal discussion to dueling between two skis:duel: 

 

Ski choice usually entails trade offs and I'm trying to weigh those against what I like in a ski and where I usually ski.  Phil is correct in that if I want more playfulness, the Enforcer would be the way to go.   However, the Bones were the ski that stayed in my truck most consistently for most of the last three years despite having other excellent skis.  I felt that I could always trust how it would respond and, partially because of the length I had, going uber fast in open bowls always felt comfortable.  There is also a trade off in that choice, but I do get a high from speed.  I also get a high from playful turning skis, but I don't want to give up too much for that.  

 

Still stuck - will it be sushi or fajitas for dinner 

post #7 of 22
You and I sound like we enjoy the same thrills. The Bones have been my go-to when I didn't know where I was going or what I was skiing. It gives me confidence in all conditions. The Enforcer can rail and is a stable SOB at speed. Either ski will give you giggles. Hell, it isn't like your choosing between poutine and kale. You're basically choosing between white gravy or brown...
post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by Drahtguy View Post

You and I sound like we enjoy the same thrills. The Bones have been my go-to when I didn't know where I was going or what I was skiing. It gives me confidence in all conditions. The Enforcer can rail and is a stable SOB at speed. Either ski will give you giggles. Hell, it isn't like your choosing between poutine and kale. You're basically choosing between white gravy or brown...


You must not be French Canadian - Poutine is a favorite although not particularly heart healthy.

 

Nice to hear that the Enforcer is a stable SOB.

 

A question...If you were stranded on a ski hill in the Rockies, which ski would you want to have with you and why?

post #9 of 22
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A question...If you were stranded on a ski hill in the Rockies, which ski would you want to have with you and why?

 

Of the two in the discussion, the Enforcer. Just more versatility for what I like to do. I'm also one of the few, the odd, that never really connected hard with the Bonefide. I think it's a length issue. The 180's too short, the 187 sort of cumbersome for our local terrain. If I want power and 'cumber', sign me up for the Cochise. 

post #10 of 22
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A question...If you were stranded on a ski hill in the Rockies, which ski would you want to have with you and why?

Kastle FX95 HP. Talk about getting the giggles. Alas, the jumping in price is a tad steep.

Between the Bones and the Enforcer, I chose the Bones. My familiarity with the ski, the sizing (187) and the price (got a great deal) are what kept me on the Blizzard. I'm sorta in between the 185 and 193 on the Enforcer. Although I think I could make either work, I'd always have that little question in the back of my mind whether I was on the right size. I would almost bet I will own an Enforcer at some point down the road when they're not the new kid on the slope anymore.
post #11 of 22

I have a 187 Brahma and I feel the length is perfect. I am looking to add an Enforcer and I can't decide between the 185 and 193. I am a 31 yr old, 6'3" 210lbs ex-racer and I ski on the east coast. If you don't mind me asking, how tall and heavy are you Drahtguy? Anybody who skied the ski has a recommendation on sizing? I'm concerned the 193 won't be as much fun.

post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by Marc-QC View Post

I have a 187 Brahma and I feel the length is perfect. I am looking to add an Enforcer and I can't decide between the 185 and 193. I am a 31 yr old, 6'3" 210lbs ex-racer and I ski on the east coast. If you don't mind me asking, how tall and heavy are you Drahtguy? Anybody who skied the ski has a recommendation on sizing? I'm concerned the 193 won't be as much fun.

I'm 6'2" and 215. I hope to get on a 193 Enforcer this year. I think a 193 and fun would coexist, especially with your race background. The added length and increased stability may benefit you if you're a speedster.
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

Were you just trying to voice your way to clarity? Because, I think you have answered a lot of your own questions.If playfulness is what you are lacking from you 187 Bonafides, the 185 Enforcer is your ticket. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Drahtguy View Post

Appears to me that you're leaning toward the Enforcer. You will not regret it. I've spent a decent amount of time on the new Enforcer and enjoyed the hell out of every second in every condition I had it in -- 5 to 6" fresh, trees, bumps and groomers. @Philpug is spot on, as usual, with his post.

That said, I was on '12/13 Bones for three years and loved them. I have ~6 days on the '15/16 Bones. The love affair continues but with a more playfulness. They are as serious as the old Bones when wanted but have a more forgiving side as well. They definitely aren't as playful and "slarvy" as the Enforcer. Either way you can't go wrong.


Nice to hear the "Enforcer" is still as much fun as the old one. Only demoed it on Demo day but have always remembered that ski.

post #14 of 22

Hey guys, I've been on the 187cm 12/13 Bonafide w/FKS bindings for several years, as my go-to all around ski.  Northeast, large resort skiing.  It has been the shortest/easiest ski in my extended main quiver for about two years - I have many other larger faster skis. About 6'1", 220 lb, lift weights.  Just picked up a pair of 187 Bushwackers that will be my light ski for bumps and trees.

 

I'd like to replace the Bonafide with something that is a bit more confident at 50mph+ on steep ice and rewards good traditional carving (and non-carving) technique, but still has some (most) of the rough terrain, tight spot capability of the Bonafide.  Without being as much of a monster as something like my 188cm Stockli Scot Schmidt (wide GS race ski), or 191cm Head Inferno 104 (short tip tail rocker, but lots of camber, heavy wood construction, charging ski).  

 

I'm considering:

 

- New 187cm Bonafide with a STH2 16 (or possibly STH16 Steels)

- 193cm Enforcer w/STH2 16

- 193cm Enforcer 93 w/ STH2 16,

- 190cm Rossignol Experience 100 Ti with FKS.

 

The freeride biased Bonafied or Enforcer would gain some stability and precision mounted with the Driver binding vs. my current FKS.  While the carving focused E100 would be a bit more easy going off piste with FKS mounted to them.  However there are limitations with how much you can change the character of a ski with what you mount on it.  For example, my 191cm Head Venturi 95's with STH16 steels are FAR easier to ski on than my 188CM Stockli Scot Schmidt's with FKS.

 

Your thoughts?  I'm leaning towards the 193cm Enforcer 93cm.  Anything else I should look at? 

post #15 of 22

The Head Monster 98 may be another to look at. The downside is that the longest length I have seen is 184, maybe there is a 191 out there?

post #16 of 22
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The Head Monster 98 may be another to look at. The downside is that the longest length I have seen is 184, maybe there is a 191 out there?

 

Yeah, but I think it's been kind of neutered. No 191cm, and I've got 3 pairs of head 191's.    Also, a newish pair of 186cm IM88's in the quiver, and some 187cm Mojo 94's I'm not using.

post #17 of 22

HIghway Star, you should consider the Saloman Xdrive8.8 FS in 184. I own it and it can handle my 6'4" , 250lbs with ease. Very stiff ski, but not a 2x4. Has no top end that I have found yet, but I haven't skied it a lot. This ski will crush anything in its path if you have the strength, gives pretty good float in spring snow, and is really stable. Not really playful, but rewards good technique with great response.  Check it out, reviewed on blister

post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by bttocs View Post
 

HIghway Star, you should consider the Saloman Xdrive8.8 FS in 184. I own it and it can handle my 6'4" , 250lbs with ease. Very stiff ski, but not a 2x4. Has no top end that I have found yet, but I haven't skied it a lot. This ski will crush anything in its path if you have the strength, gives pretty good float in spring snow, and is really stable. Not really playful, but rewards good technique with great response.  Check it out, reviewed on blister

 

Thanks, I think I've read the reviews before.  Looks like a nice ski.  I'm looking for something longer, softer flexing than "very stiff", wider.  I do find it amusing that the Blister review calls it the most stable 88mm waist ski he's ever been on...I can't even count, without considerable effort, the number of 87-91mm waist skis I personally own that are definitely more stable - about a half dozen pair or so.


Edited by Highway Star - 8/25/16 at 5:21pm
post #19 of 22

HS, the new Dynastar Legend Pro Rider has your name written all over it.

 

http://www.dynastar.com/en-us/product/pro-rider

post #20 of 22
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HS, the new Dynastar Legend Pro Rider has your name written all over it.

 

http://www.dynastar.com/en-us/product/pro-rider

didnt see that in the buyer guide of ski or freerider. wish they made a 185 to try

post #21 of 22
Probably not all that different than the LP105's and there are still pairs of 184's floating around.
post #22 of 22

I know exactly what you are going through. I had some Brahmas which were stolen. i agonized and eventually settled for Enforcers (100m) over replacing the Brahmas.

 

What did it for me is that the Enforcers are great on hard pack like the Brahmas so I wasn't giving up a whole lot there but the Enforcers were better at going over different types of snow I found myself going more places. Still not sure I did the right thing..

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