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post #31 of 92
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 Guess I will sell my 5 stars for a nickel.  Maybe there are more rocks to look under. 

I would save those 5 stars for your early season rock skis.

post #32 of 92
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I did want to point out regarding the video I posted, the skier said he would be happier with a 170 instead of a 176.  I have no idea how tall he is or his weight.  Very hard to tell.  Anyone know him?  I never felt a lack of control with my 175's, but I think the design of the newer skies has people buying a longer ski since there is more rocker?  I hope I am getting that right.  

post #33 of 92
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I did want to point out regarding the video I posted, the skier said he would be happier with a 170 instead of a 176.  I have no idea how tall he is or his weight.  Very hard to tell.  Anyone know him?  I never felt a lack of control with my 175's, but I think the design of the newer skies has people buying a longer ski since there is more rocker?  I hope I am getting that right.  


What a great idea!  Thanks, I never thought of that.

post #34 of 92
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I did want to point out regarding the video I posted, the skier said he would be happier with a 170 instead of a 176.  I have no idea how tall he is or his weight.  Very hard to tell.  Anyone know him?  I never felt a lack of control with my 175's, but I think the design of the newer skies has people buying a longer ski since there is more rocker?  I hope I am getting that right.  

The minimal amount of rocker on these skis makes no difference when choosing length. 

post #35 of 92

In my opinion you should demo the RTM's before you commit. I had Volkl 6 Stars for a season they had a warranty issue and I got upgraded to a Supersport..both in 170cm...both good go fast grippy skis. Then went onto a Volkl Grizzly which I still have and ski occasionally a great go anywhere do anything ski with a ton of grip.. Then when the RTM's came out I demoed a pair of V-Werks and I hated them....for my taste the full camber for an on-piste ski is so boring where is the pop and rebound sure they are easier to ski but the fun factor is way less. I started skiing Kastles and there is no going back. Had an RX12 but found it too specific and too technical. Had an MX 78 but maybe too short in 168 very smooth but hard to get the pop going. I have a 173 MX83 which is probably the most fun on-piste carver I have ever had. My new ski is a 174 MX98 and there is your one ski quiver for an older guy (I am 59) I have found the replacement for my beloved Grizzlys. You might try the 178 MX88 I have never skiied it but it is reputed to be the one ski quiver. All these skis are full camber no rocker. I have rockered skis for the right conditions but for general use full camber delivers more joy for me.

Cheers Stan from downunder

post #36 of 92
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

The minimal amount of rocker on these skis makes no difference when choosing length. 


Thanks.

post #37 of 92
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Originally Posted by Stanley View Post

In my opinion you should demo the RTM's before you commit. I had Volkl 6 Stars for a season they had a warranty issue and I got upgraded to a Supersport..both in 170cm...both good go fast grippy skis. Then went onto a Volkl Grizzly which I still have and ski occasionally a great go anywhere do anything ski with a ton of grip.. Then when the RTM's came out I demoed a pair of V-Werks and I hated them....for my taste the full camber for an on-piste ski is so boring where is the pop and rebound sure they are easier to ski but the fun factor is way less. I started skiing Kastles and there is no going back. Had an RX12 but found it too specific and too technical. Had an MX 78 but maybe too short in 168 very smooth but hard to get the pop going. I have a 173 MX83 which is probably the most fun on-piste carver I have ever had. My new ski is a 174 MX98 and there is your one ski quiver for an older guy (I am 59) I have found the replacement for my beloved Grizzlys. You might try the 178 MX88 I have never skiied it but it is reputed to be the one ski quiver. All these skis are full camber no rocker. I have rockered skis for the right conditions but for general use full camber delivers more joy for me.
Cheers Stan from downunder

Wrong year Stan. We're talking 15-16 RTM... Past models are irrelevant.
post #38 of 92

Doesn't change my basic advice...try it before you buy it...

 

cheers Stan

post #39 of 92
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Doesn't change my basic advice...try it before you buy it...

 

cheers Stan


In this case, I won't be able to.  It will be all sold out before I get a chance to ski here in my area.  November is the earliest and that isn't overly common, but Seven Springs has a pretty long season. Anyway, I won't be able to try the ski.  Didn't try my 5 stars either, but just had a gun feeling and it worked like a dream. Worse case, I buy them, don't like them and sell them for a couple of hundred less.  They will be easy to sell since the reviews are there and there won't be that many around.

 

Thanks for your advice though.  

post #40 of 92
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Oh no, I just visited the ski store I was hoping to buy the skis from and they don't have the 181cm size in that ski. Therefore, the advice may not be non bias.  I will have to call the other store near me. I don't like them as well because the staff isn't as sharp.  I am bummed a bit.  Not sure if the local place can get the 181 delivered.  Maybe I will call first.  

post #41 of 92

Don't quite understand your reasoning for not being able to demo. A lot of ski areas have early season demo days, most of them are free. And most shops have a good selection of demos to choose from. I doubt many shops are going to sell out of anything before Xmas. And with the advent of the internet, skis are more readily available than ever before. In your case, you are a perfect example of someone that really needs to demo. Those 5 Stars that you have are shot, and they probably have been for a while now. Anything you try now is going to be light years difference of what the 5 Stars were even when they were new. And forget any brand loyalty that you may have, there is nothing that is remotely comparable to the last time you bought a pair of skis. Also, the rocker thing has muddied the water even more. I try a fair amount of skis every year. There are some that are truly remarkable, and there are some that aren't. And it makes even tougher on you because you haven't really been keeping up with all the latest changes from year to year, so you're going into this blind. All sounds like a receipt for buying the wrong pair of skis. I could go on and on about which ones I like and which ones I don't, as could everyone else that's posted here. And it wouldn't mean anything. Cause in the end, the only opinion that matters is yours. And it's really hard to form an opinion if you have nothing else to base it on.

post #42 of 92
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Don't quite understand your reasoning for not being able to demo. A lot of ski areas have early season demo days, most of them are free. And most shops have a good selection of demos to choose from. I doubt many shops are going to sell out of anything before Xmas. And with the advent of the internet, skis are more readily available than ever before. In your case, you are a perfect example of someone that really needs to demo. Those 5 Stars that you have are shot, and they probably have been for a while now. Anything you try now is going to be light years difference of what the 5 Stars were even when they were new. And forget any brand loyalty that you may have, there is nothing that is remotely comparable to the last time you bought a pair of skis. Also, the rocker thing has muddied the water even more. I try a fair amount of skis every year. There are some that are truly remarkable, and there are some that aren't. And it makes even tougher on you because you haven't really been keeping up with all the latest changes from year to year, so you're going into this blind. All sounds like a receipt for buying the wrong pair of skis. I could go on and on about which ones I like and which ones I don't, as could everyone else that's posted here. And it wouldn't mean anything. Cause in the end, the only opinion that matters is yours. And it's really hard to form an opinion if you have nothing else to base it on.

On top of that, as a number of posters pointed out in one of our summer threads, even demoing is an iffy proposition. Snow conditions, ski tune, your emotional state -- just three of an infinitude of variables. Add to that the fact that you don't really know a ski until you've been on it a while.

Still, a demo is a piece of information you didn't have before, and well worth having, though it's no guarantee.
post #43 of 92
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Doesn't change my basic advice...try it before you buy it...

 

cheers Stan

When demoing, you are demoing three things, the conditions, the tune and thirdly the ski. In PA the demos really don't start till after the first of the year, when quite frankly a good amount of the popular skis are sold out. The OP hasn't been on a different ski than the 5* in close to 15 years. What do you think he is going to feel different than his 15 year old skis? Yes, difference. He could get in 5-10 skis from this category and he is going to feel difference. He said he likes Volkl and would prefer to stay with that brand. You suggest two skis, one that you never skied and one that you were wrong with the attributes, and thirdly to demo, 0 for 3. No offense against the OP, he isn't qualified to demo for the reasons I stated. There are more wrong skis than there are bad skis now. IMHO and some people who actually have skied a good amount of the 2016 options, we feel that the RTM 84 is a fine option for the OP (Original Poster). He wants the RTM84, it is a great choice for him, so why are you raining on his parade? 

post #44 of 92
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When demoing, you are demoing three things, the conditions, the tune and thirdly the ski. In PA the demos really don't start till after the first of the year, when quite frankly a good amount of the popular skis are sold out. The OP hasn't been on a different ski than the 5* in close to 15 years. What do you think he is going to feel different than his 15 year old skis? Yes, difference. He could get in 5-10 skis from this category and he is going to feel difference. He said he likes Volkl and would prefer to stay with that brand. You suggest two skis, one that you never skied and one that you were wrong with the attributes, and thirdly to demo, 0 for 3. No offense against the OP, he isn't qualified to demo for the reasons I stated. There are more wrong skis than there are bad skis now. IMHO and some people who actually have skied a good amount of the 2016 options, we feel that the RTM 84 is a fine option for the OP (Original Poster). He wants the RTM84, it is a great choice for him, so why are you raining on his parade? 

As usual, recommendations like those you mention are about what a particular person likes and has little to nothing to do with someone else's narrative. 'If it's good for me, it's good for you.' Yeah. Not so much, Stan. Sorry for the tough critique.
post #45 of 92
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

When demoing, you are demoing three things, the conditions, the tune and thirdly the ski. In PA the demos really don't start till after the first of the year, when quite frankly a good amount of the popular skis are sold out. The OP hasn't been on a different ski than the 5* in close to 15 years. What do you think he is going to feel different than his 15 year old skis? Yes, difference. He could get in 5-10 skis from this category and he is going to feel difference. He said he likes Volkl and would prefer to stay with that brand. You suggest two skis, one that you never skied and one that you were wrong with the attributes, and thirdly to demo, 0 for 3. No offense against the OP, he isn't qualified to demo for the reasons I stated. There are more wrong skis than there are bad skis now. IMHO and some people who actually have skied a good amount of the 2016 options, we feel that the RTM 84 is a fine option for the OP (Original Poster). He wants the RTM84, it is a great choice for him, so why are you raining on his parade? 

As usual, recommendations like those you mention are about what a particular person likes and has little to nothing to do with someone else's narrative. 'If it's good for me, it's good for you.' Yeah. Not so much, Stan. Sorry for the tough critique.

 

My thoughts were on this were pretty much addressed in post #13 of this thread. 

post #46 of 92
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Don't quite understand your reasoning for not being able to demo. A lot of ski areas have early season demo days, most of them are free. And most shops have a good selection of demos to choose from. I doubt many shops are going to sell out of anything before Xmas. And with the advent of the internet, skis are more readily available than ever before. In your case, you are a perfect example of someone that really needs to demo. Those 5 Stars that you have are shot, and they probably have been for a while now. Anything you try now is going to be light years difference of what the 5 Stars were even when they were new. And forget any brand loyalty that you may have, there is nothing that is remotely comparable to the last time you bought a pair of skis. Also, the rocker thing has muddied the water even more. I try a fair amount of skis every year. There are some that are truly remarkable, and there are some that aren't. And it makes even tougher on you because you haven't really been keeping up with all the latest changes from year to year, so you're going into this blind. All sounds like a receipt for buying the wrong pair of skis. I could go on and on about which ones I like and which ones I don't, as could everyone else that's posted here. And it wouldn't mean anything. Cause in the end, the only opinion that matters is yours. And it's really hard to form an opinion if you have nothing else to base it on.


Phipug stated it how it is for me and my area.  10 years ago when I purchased my 5 stars, I never got a chance to demo them, but did demo a bunch of skis.  I can't remember which Volkl that was similar to the supersports I tried back then, but after discussion and a lot of reading, I came to the conclusion the supersports were the ski I would buy.  I may have gotten lucky.  Here in my region we don't have the best skiing like many of you folks have, but I can't complain too much because for the tiny mountain Seven Springs has, they make the best of it and last year they were open 115 days.  Not bad considering where I am.  Anyway, I doubt I would be able to demo the skis here.  By the time I can demo, that ski will be gone.  It is a bit of a shot in the dark, I know.  Must be nice to be in big ski areas with huge demo days and tons of skis all over the place to choose from.  Just isn't like that here.  Will I get the best ski for me?  Probably not, but they will probably be close.  I am not expecting these new skis to be light years ahead of my old Supersports to be honest.  Now when I went from Kastle synergy 200cm's to  the Supersports, that was a big change.  

post #47 of 92
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

When demoing, you are demoing three things, the conditions, the tune and thirdly the ski. In PA the demos really don't start till after the first of the year, when quite frankly a good amount of the popular skis are sold out. The OP hasn't been on a different ski than the 5* in close to 15 years. What do you think he is going to feel different than his 15 year old skis? Yes, difference. He could get in 5-10 skis from this category and he is going to feel difference. He said he likes Volkl and would prefer to stay with that brand. You suggest two skis, one that you never skied and one that you were wrong with the attributes, and thirdly to demo, 0 for 3. No offense against the OP, he isn't qualified to demo for the reasons I stated. There are more wrong skis than there are bad skis now. IMHO and some people who actually have skied a good amount of the 2016 options, we feel that the RTM 84 is a fine option for the OP (Original Poster). He wants the RTM84, it is a great choice for him, so why are you raining on his parade? 


I agree, this pretty much sums up my situation, other than it has been 10 years, not 15.  lol  I take no offense regarding my qualifications regarding new skis.  I would be wildly out of date and that has nothing to do with how I ski or ability.  That is all relative to who you are comparing any skier to at almost every level except the elite that are quite rare, so we are simply looking at skis that would work for me on mostly groomed, but some pow and crud, not to mention some ice, but not near the ice there used to be.  Thank you technology.  I could probably hop on any ski and be pretty happy, so long as the size is right for what I like.  For the most part skis are a small part of the puzzle.  You put an elite skier on my old skis and they would ski circles around many good skiers on the latest equipment.  

 

Anyway, I am not in a luxurious area and by the time I am on the slopes the 84 RTM's will be sold out across the US.  That is my guess, because they are getting good reviews already and Volkl doesn't saturate the market.  In a perfect world, demoing a pile of skis and choosing would be great.  Ah, those of you that live in CO or even up north in the East.  Must be nice.  Again, I can't complain.  Living in a great city and having some skiing an hour away is pretty good.  Who knows, I may end up in Boulder someday, but I will have a few sets of skis probably if I am out there.  One can dream.  Thanks for all the tips.  No raining on any parade felt.  Love honest opinions and this forum didn't disappoint.  Great stuff.

post #48 of 92
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Oh no, I just visited the ski store I was hoping to buy the skis from and they don't have the 181cm size in that ski. Therefore, the advice may not be non bias.  I will have to call the other store near me. I don't like them as well because the staff isn't as sharp.  I am bummed a bit.  Not sure if the local place can get the 181 delivered.  Maybe I will call first.  

Save your time, gas and some money.

 

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post #49 of 92
Curtis, it could be good luck if the 181 sold.
Consider your style, the 5 star loves to edge, camber pop is fun and energetic. If this memory is more to your liking, the RTM just may feel a bit dead.
If you're more of a crossover kind of guy, where smooth transition from edge to edge with smeary brushing into a tighter radius makes you smile, the RTM fits nicely.
If you prefer pop and carvy fun keep an open mind. You just might find some MX83, Fire Arrow, or a similar rocketship on closeout. Versatility is not overated the Crimson or Watea can do you well,if Volkl is your brand, try the Code Speedwall, there are many flavors to fit your style.

That said, mail order outfitters have good service and prices, Backcountry or REI among many can put some great boards under your boots.
post #50 of 92
Butt, have you skied the 15-16 rtm?
post #51 of 92

For those who are chiming in that the RTM is a dead fish, no rebound and camberless....We are talking about the 2015-16 which is an all new ski...that DOES HAVE CAMBER UNDERFOOT...not the out going series. The ski is all new for this coming season. If you have not skied the ski, please do so before stating your opinion. 

post #52 of 92
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Butt, have you skied the 15-16 rtm?
I'll have my crow baked in a pie.
I just read up on the new RTM. My local Colorado shops tend to buy a year or two behind the curve, so no demo, BUT the RTM looks like a modern successor to the 5 star, worthy indeed.
post #53 of 92
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

When demoing, you are demoing three things, the conditions, the tune and thirdly the ski. In PA the demos really don't start till after the first of the year, when quite frankly a good amount of the popular skis are sold out. The OP hasn't been on a different ski than the 5* in close to 15 years. What do you think he is going to feel different than his 15 year old skis? Yes, difference. He could get in 5-10 skis from this category and he is going to feel difference. He said he likes Volkl and would prefer to stay with that brand. You suggest two skis, one that you never skied and one that you were wrong with the attributes, and thirdly to demo, 0 for 3. No offense against the OP, he isn't qualified to demo for the reasons I stated. There are more wrong skis than there are bad skis now. IMHO and some people who actually have skied a good amount of the 2016 options, we feel that the RTM 84 is a fine option for the OP (Original Poster). He wants the RTM84, it is a great choice for him, so why are you raining on his parade? 


I agree with Phil here  While I still think it would be better for him (the OP) to be able to try a few pairs of skis first simply because he has been out of the loop for so long, demoing skis is still a crapshoot at best, for the reasons Phil stated. I have made some mistakes buying skis, and I usually put a lot of time and research into it, so there are no sure things. And brand loyalty does count for something, especially if you've got your mind made up and you're not going to be happy with anything else. The RTM 84 has been a popular ski, and I've also heard a lot of good things about the RTM 81. But if Phil thinks that's the way the OP ought to go, and he sounds like he would rather stick with a Volkl, I don't see any sense in muddying the waters any further.

post #54 of 92
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

For those who are chiming in that the RTM is a dead fish, no rebound and camberless....We are talking about the 2015-16 which is an all new ski...that DOES HAVE CAMBER UNDERFOOT...not the out going series. The ski is all new for this coming season. If you have not skied the ski, please do so before stating your opinion. 

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post #55 of 92

I would rent a pair first.  You should be able to rent and apply to purchase price.

 

The 2016 is cambered underfoot, with the rocker starting fairly close to the toe-piece as compared to other rocker-camber-rocker skis.  It is lighter than the old model, but incorporates UVO damping so that is should still be stable at (5-star) speed. 

 

"Instead of rocker starting at 10 to 15 %, this ski is almost full rocker"  (even if you don't understand french, you can see the rocker/camber shape.  (probably about the same camber as your beat up 5 stars:D)

 

 

Looking at that ski shape, it would not matter if you ski in snow, but on hard pack, it would not be MY coup of tea, if you don't care about initiation and perfecting the purity of the carve, then I'm sure you wouldn't notice. 

 

If you have only skied it on snow you can sink into, you don't know how it skis on hardpack. It wont ski on hard pack like a traditional cambered ski.  Not everyone can tell the difference though.

 

Here's an alternative, if you can afford it (and it looks like you can)!  Spend next season renting high performance skis and explore the range, then buy what you like best; trying different types types of skis and learning how to make them work for you will improve your skills and ultimately increase your enjoyment of the sport.

post #56 of 92
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I would rent a pair first.  You should be able to rent and apply to purchase price.

 

The 2016 is cambered underfoot, with the rocker starting fairly close to the toe-piece as compared to other rocker-camber-rocker skis.  It is lighter than the old model, but incorporates UVO damping so that is should still be stable at (5-star) speed. 

 

"Instead of rocker starting at 10 to 15 %, this ski is almost full rocker"  (even if you don't understand french, you can see the rocker/camber shape.  (probably about the same camber as your beat up 5 stars:D)

 

 

Looking at that ski shape, it would not matter if you ski in snow, but on hard pack, it would not be MY coup of tea, if you don't care about initiation and perfecting the purity of the carve, then I'm sure you wouldn't notice. 

 

If you have only skied it on snow you can sink into, you don't know how it skis on hardpack. It wont ski on hard pack like a traditional cambered ski.  Not everyone can tell the difference though.

 

Here's an alternative, if you can afford it (and it looks like you can)!  Spend next season renting high performance skis and explore the range, then buy what you like best; trying different types types of skis and learning how to make them work for you will improve your skills and ultimately increase your enjoyment of the sport.

Have you skied the ski? 

post #57 of 92

Have you skied it on hardpack?

 

I have not skied that ski.  I have skied a large variety of rocker, full camber, rocker-camber-rocker skis, early rise skis, amphibian skis, on soft and very hard snow.  If you don't think the slight rocker starting just in front of the toe-piece skis differently than a ski with full camber on hardpack, then we will just have to agree to disagree.


Edited by Ghost - 8/30/15 at 5:15pm
post #58 of 92
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Have you skied it on hardpack?

 

I have not skied that ski.  I have skied a large variety of rocker, full camber, rocker-camber-rocker skis, early rise skis, amphibian skis, on soft and very hard snow.  If you don't think the slight rocker starting just in front of the toe-piece skis differently than a ski with full camber on hardpack, then we will just have to agree to disagree.

I have skied it on hardpack and fresh groomers so yes, I have skied it on the conditions it was intended for. I am sure you will agree, that rocker is not rocker is not rocker and that all rocker is not created equal. This ski has minimal early rise. The rise does not start right in front of the toe piece and the ski does not have "marketing camber", there is just enough rise to take the nervousness of the ski in a transition from one turn to the next. But making the assumption because the ski has rocker that is it not good on firm conditions without skiing it? I have learned that I have been wrong more often than not with assuming the bad attributes of a ski than expecting the ski to be too good. 

post #59 of 92
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I would rent a pair first.  You should be able to rent and apply to purchase price.

The 2016 is cambered underfoot, with the rocker starting fairly close to the toe-piece as compared to other rocker-camber-rocker skis.  It is lighter than the old model, but incorporates UVO damping so that is should still be stable at (5-star) speed. 

"Instead of rocker starting at 10 to 15 %, this ski is almost full rocker"  (even if you don't understand french, you can see the rocker/camber shape.  (probably about the same camber as your beat up 5 stars:D )




Looking at that ski shape, it would not matter if you ski in snow, but on hard pack, it would not be MY coup of tea, if you don't care about initiation and perfecting the purity of the carve, then I'm sure you wouldn't notice. 

If you have only skied it on snow you can sink into, you don't know how it skis on hardpack. It wont ski on hard pack like a traditional cambered ski.  Not everyone can tell the difference though.

Here's an alternative, if you can afford it (and it looks like you can)!  Spend next season renting high performance skis and explore the range, then buy what you like best; trying different types types of skis and learning how to make them work for you will improve your skills and ultimately increase your enjoyment of the sport.

Ghost, you're talking to hear the sound of your own voice. Its not about YOUR cup of tea. Knock it off for pete's sake. You havent skied the new RTM. Phil has. I have. Hopefully the OP can parse the poop from the shinola.
post #60 of 92
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I have skied it on hardpack and fresh groomers so yes, I have skied it on the conditions it was intended for. I am sure you will agree, that rocker is not rocker is not rocker and that all rocker is not created equal. This ski has minimal early rise. The rise does not start right in front of the toe piece and the ski does not have "marketing camber", there is just enough rise to take the nervousness of the ski in a transition from one turn to the next. But making the assumption because the ski has rocker that is it not good on firm conditions without skiing it? I have learned that I have been wrong more often than not with assuming the bad attributes of a ski than expecting the ski to be too good. radar
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

I have skied it on hardpack and fresh groomers so yes, I have skied it on the conditions it was intended for. I am sure you will agree, that rocker is not rocker is not rocker and that all rocker is not created equal. This ski has minimal early rise. The rise does not start right in front of the toe piece and the ski does not have "marketing camber", there is just enough rise to take the nervousness of the ski in a transition from one turn to the next. But making the assumption because the ski has rocker that is it not good on firm conditions without skiing it? I have learned that I have been wrong more often than not with assuming the bad attributes of a ski than expecting the ski to be too good. 
I had a pair of Supersport Superspeeds way back then, I loved them. I understand the Volkl sentiment and ended up in 2012 buying the code speedwall with no regrets. My shop was hot to get me on some RTM but I stuck to my guns and went to the internet.
It appears that Volkl got smart and codeified the RTM into the ski in question here, once I wear out my new Powertracks the Rtm will be on my radar.
Thanks for the recommendation.
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