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Boot and AT binding (frame) question

post #1 of 10
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Hi,

 

I have Dynastar Cham 107s, and want to throw on an AT binding.  I'm a light guy (150lbs), and an x-racer, so I want a binding that is able to handle aggressive skiing.  Plus, I'll be resort skiing (I only go on powder days) about 90% of the time, and the other 10% I will be touring.  I don't want a tech binding as I've heard frame bindings are better for my skiing type (more downhill focused).  Also, I do a lot of cliff jumping.

 

Another thing: I've been in race boots my entire life, and want to get a pair with a walk feature (for my occasional ski touring)...but the boot still needs to be able to handle aggressive skiing as I only like to go fast :).  Suggestions?  I've only ever had race boots...so I'd definitely want 130 flex.

 

My goal is a one-ski quiver for powder days / touring.

 

Thanks,

 

Nathan

post #2 of 10
As for boots, I'm partial to the black diamond factor 130's. Fairly stiff, awesome walk mode, and interchangeable soleblocks for use with both alpine and AT bindings. I use them solely inbounds, and for that purpose they are nice a and light and stable (if a boot can be that). If you're going for multiple day trips, they can get a little wet and are heavy for pure AT skiing, but that doesn't sound like what you want to do.

I'd go with these boots and a marker duke binding. If you want to go full out AT, buy the AT soles for the boots and a dynafit binding, if you really like it, buy some dedicated lighter boots.
post #3 of 10
I'd tend to agree with the Marker Duke recommendation above, but Atomic Trackers/Salomon Guardians, or Tyrolia Adrenilins would probably work as well.

Boots, get the ones that fit, just like regular alpine boots. Try on Scarpa Freedom RS, Tecnica Cochise Pro 130, Lange XT 130, K2 Pinnacle 130, and the Dalbello Pantera 130 and you'll likely find a range of different fits. They're all burly.
post #4 of 10

I skied three years on the Back Diamond Factor 130s and last season on Lange XT 130s as my on-area alpine boots, both of which are basically alpine boots with a walk mode, as opposed to true AT boots.  I have much lighter AT boots and tech bindings for my backcountry setup.  The Factors have a much better walk mode with a bigger ROM, but the Langes ski noticeably stiffer and better on area.  If you are looking for the race boot feel the Langes are probably the call, although they are a very cold boot compared to the Factors. 

 

All the boots listed above are good options but, as Bob said, they are all  burly.  With Dukes and any of those boots you will probably be reasonably happy on area and cliff jumping, but your setup will be as heavy or heavier than standard alpine gear, and several pounds more than a true AT setup, but it appears that fits into you proposed uses.

post #5 of 10
Depends on foot shape...,IMHO, the Tecnica walk mode boots have the best walk mode without losing torsional stiffness in ski mode. Honestly, the Lange XT's - and again IMHO - don't do anyone's skiing any favors and a very limited range of motion in walk mode. The K2's are ridiculously heavy... anyhow...
post #6 of 10
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I'd tend to agree with the Marker Duke recommendation above, but Atomic Trackers/Salomon Guardians, or Tyrolia Adrenilins would probably work as well.

Boots, get the ones that fit, just like regular alpine boots. Try on Scarpa Freedom RS, Tecnica Cochise Pro 130, Lange XT 130, K2 Pinnacle 130, and the Dalbello Pantera 130 and you'll likely find a range of different fits. They're all burly.

 

Why not the Tour 12 rather than the Duke?  Much lighter for the same funtionality.

post #7 of 10
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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post

I'd tend to agree with the Marker Duke recommendation above, but Atomic Trackers/Salomon Guardians, or Tyrolia Adrenilins would probably work as well.

Boots, get the ones that fit, just like regular alpine boots. Try on Scarpa Freedom RS, Tecnica Cochise Pro 130, Lange XT 130, K2 Pinnacle 130, and the Dalbello Pantera 130 and you'll likely find a range of different fits. They're all burly.

Why not the Tour 12 rather than the Duke?  Much lighter for the same funtionality.

My thinking is that for 90% aggressive inbounds skiing just go ahead and get the most robust and downhill-sturdy binding. Any binding used for both inbounds and out will compromise on one or the other, but since by far most of the OP's time will be inbounds then get the binding that is most suited to inbounds skiing - the Duke. It skis better and is more durable, but it weighs more and doesn't tour as well.

I'm not particularly a fan of the Marker Tour because of the stack height and flex and tour lock mechanism, but that's in large part because I strongly favor tech bindings for touring. For a compromise binding, I think the Atomic/Solomons and Tyrolias I listed above would be better. More durable and intuitive to use.
post #8 of 10

Ditto. Unless I'm stuck inbounds, running gates I'm almost exclusively on my AT gear these days.  And it only took around five years and much wasted money but now AT skis are all tech and heavy boots with swap blocks (Technica Cochise) and been relegated to alpine mode only and I spend most of my time in Scarpa Maestrale boots.

 

Heading and staying beyond the boundary is a journey.  If you get bitten and like the experience, inbounds skiing looses its appeal and you will gravitate towards light is right where the up is as important as the down.

post #9 of 10
I have the cham 107 with dukes and they are pigs. I use mine for basically doing quick laps in Symphony bowl at Whistler and light side country. Also, I have a pair of carbon megawatts with dynafits which makes going up hill a breeze in comparison. If you what a burly binding for resort skiing that still tours I would be looking at the beast or kingpin. Especially if you are doing cliffs. At the very least you not lifting the frame each and every step.That being said I'm 6'4 about 230ibs aggressive skier.
Also, I ski with the technica cochise pro 130 with intution hd race liners which are a good fit but I swear that feel a bit of play when I ski even when the boot is in lock mode. At least that is my take.
post #10 of 10

More choices are a welcomed sight.....

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