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post #1 of 18
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Trail Map is on the website and it looks huge.

 

http://www.parkcitymountain.com/mountain/trail-map.aspx

 

I've never been to either Park City or the Canyons.  Somehow, it's now even less appealing to me.

post #2 of 18

Well, I live here. My house is on that map, that's pretty cool. PCMR & Canyons are consistantly underrated- or should I say overshadowed because of the nearby Cottonwoods. We're all pretty uncertain as to what Vail will bring, but in town we've had two camps (well, three, with Deer Valley) Canyons people swear by it and PCMR skiers love the wide groomers and Jupiter bowl. Now we have the best of both worlds. What's really interesting to me is that triangular shaped terrain above the new Gondola, between the two resorts. The snow on Pinecone Ridge can be iffy because of the south aspect, but the north side and the ridge above to the west look really tasty. It's all BC now, and people get killed up there most every season (Dutch Draw) but it would be logical to add that in and control it. We're pretty stoked to be able to range across the whole span of mountains- and join our friends to ski both resorts, er, the one resort, on the Epic Pass.       

post #3 of 18

There sure are A LOT of short runs!  Are there any over 1500ft?

post #4 of 18

Canyons is an excellent place to ski on busy powder days. I find that it is considerably less crowded than PC Alta or Bird.

 

It also had a great deal on day tickets bought on line a day in advance for old farts like me.

 

I wonder if that will change now Canyons is PC?

post #5 of 18

I never measured the runs, but I'm thinking that they're a lot longer than they look on paper because of the scale of the map. It ain't Jackson, but we manage. As to how the crowd will spread on a pow day, that remains to be seen. Kind of a non secret is that there are powder stashes that can be lapped at PC and Canyons far longer than some of the other resorts because they're hard to get to, not obvious, and the feeding frenzy is in the Cottonwoods. Used to be able to say the same for Deer Valley, these days, not so much... 

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There sure are A LOT of short runs!  Are there any over 1500ft?


Nope. About the longest continuous vert is off of Ski Team Ridge and it is kinda low elevation.

 

The Map also doesn't show all the 2x Fall lines that plague both PCMR and the Canyons.

 

Still, the skiing there is better than a lot of Colorado and just about anywhere East of Denver.

post #7 of 18
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Nope. About the longest continuous vert is off of Ski Team Ridge and it is kinda low elevation.

The Map also doesn't show all the 2x Fall lines that plague both PCMR and the Canyons.

Still, the skiing there is better than a lot of Colorado and just about anywhere East of Denver.

I was being facetious. I've been to The Canyons and was really underwhelmed. Park City looks like more of the same.

It's funny that I complain about short runs yet I like Brighton. For whatever reason... Maybe it's the double fall line thing... Though the Great Western area kind of has this too. The better snow conditions don't hurt though. 9990 was pretty fun I guess.
post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by JoeSchmoe View Post
 

There sure are A LOT of short runs!  Are there any over 1500ft?

Yes, there are.  Plus, the Canyons has the six natural half pipes, two of which are favorites for locals. The terrain parks are the best and longest in the country, with one over a mile long. Best of all, there is lodging, shopping, and no road problems on powder days. The combined resorts have what, 250 trails? You can find enough to ski there.

post #9 of 18
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Canyons is an excellent place to ski on busy powder days. I find that it is considerably less crowded than PC Alta or Bird.

 

It also had a great deal on day tickets bought on line a day in advance for old farts like me.

 

I wonder if that will change now Canyons is PC?

Yes.  Everything is EPIC, and designed to sell the EPIC Pass. Vail guarantees the best deals will be on their website, so all those cheap tickets with the beer and burger are gone for good. Who cares?  Ski for four of five days and the pass pays for itself plus you get all those other resorts.

post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by Lofcaudio View Post
 

Trail Map is on the website and it looks huge.

 

http://www.parkcitymountain.com/mountain/trail-map.aspx

 

I've never been to either Park City or the Canyons.  Somehow, it's now even less appealing to me.

 

Why would that make it less appealing? I've always liked the Crayons more than PC, but now having the potential for both, and finding the good a day or two after a storm is fine.

 

"I've never been to either, but now it's even less appealing". OK, that makes sense. Why don't you go first, then give your opinion?:rolleyes

post #11 of 18

I visited PC and Canyons for the first time this winter and was kinda underwhelmed (while acknowledging that snow and snowpack was definitely not in the best condition) lots of shortish vertical from lifts and "commuting".  Felt like there was no real way you could get the same vert run possible at Snowbird for instance.  Not that vert alone is a real benchmark.But then Kirkwood doesn't have huge vert runs and is mighty fun to ski (for an experienced skier) so maybe its a case of hitting it in better conditions.  

 

The main deficiency IMV is lacking the bowl skiing of big NA resorts like Vail and WB or Squalpine. In feel it's more like Beaver Creek (aspens are similar too) lots of lateral layout.  Don't know what the killer lift like Grouse might be.

post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
 

 

Why don't you go first, then give your opinion?

 

If I were going to give my opinion about the resorts, I would certainly do so after visiting and not before.  I tend to dislike larger resorts for a couple of reasons which is why the bigness of PC/Canyons is not attractive to me.  I also don't like eating at Golden Corral as MORE ≠ BETTER.

post #13 of 18
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I visited PC and Canyons for the first time this winter and was kinda underwhelmed (while acknowledging that snow and snowpack was definitely not in the best condition) lots of shortish vertical from lifts and "commuting".  Felt like there was no real way you could get the same vert run possible at Snowbird for instance.  Not that vert alone is a real benchmark.But then Kirkwood doesn't have huge vert runs and is mighty fun to ski (for an experienced skier) so maybe its a case of hitting it in better conditions.  

 

The main deficiency IMV is lacking the bowl skiing of big NA resorts like Vail and WB or Squalpine. In feel it's more like Beaver Creek (aspens are similar too) lots of lateral layout.  Don't know what the killer lift like Grouse might be.

It is the case of getting there in better conditions, with everything open.

 

BTW, I skied Kirkwood 6 times last year due to the snow being so bad everywhere else. You gotta love the place since it gets more snow than almost anywhere else up there and is rarely crowded before XMAS.  But is the skiing better there when there is snow everywhere? I don't think so.

 

When there is snow in PC you have the choice of a whole lot of terrain, more than anyone is likely to ski in only 4 or 5 days.  The problem for beginners is finding enough to ski on the Canyons side (no problem in the other side), The problems for experts is knowing where to find the goods outside the usually marked trails, particularly on the Canyons side where you have to go though fences or false fronts (trees) or into natural half pipes off otherwise boring runs. The problems for intermediates and advanced skiers is figuring out what they want to explore, since there is so much of it. The good news is that Vail took care of the restaurant issue. Now there are enough to no one has to worry about being too far away from a restaurant during a really cold day. There is now enough places to get warm.

post #14 of 18
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Nope. About the longest continuous vert is off of Ski Team Ridge and it is kinda low elevation.

 

The Map also doesn't show all the 2x Fall lines that plague both PCMR and the Canyons.

 

Still, the skiing there is better than a lot of Colorado and just about anywhere East of Denver.

 

 

Double fall lines and plague don't ever belong in the same paragraph much less sentence...that's what you call interesting or fun terrain.

post #15 of 18
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Double fall lines and plague don't ever belong in the same paragraph much less sentence...that's what you call interesting or fun terrain.

Could double fall line mean you ski a low vert run (by western standards) off a ridge that ends up in a long valley run back to the lift and every run off that lift takes you back to that same valley?
post #16 of 18
No. When people use the term (which is actually BS, there is no such thing), they mean the fall line (the way a ball rolls down the hill) doesn't follow the path of the trail. Some people find that harder to ski.
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

No. When people use the term (which is actually BS, there is no such thing), they mean the fall line (the way a ball rolls down the hill) doesn't follow the path of the trail. Some people find that harder to ski.

What I meant was that possibly the poster misinterpreted the meaning of the phrase.
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

No. When people use the term (which is actually BS, there is no such thing), they mean the fall line (the way a ball rolls down the hill) doesn't follow the path of the trail. Some people find that harder to ski.



And honestly it annoys the hell out of me when trails are not cut down the fall line. 

 

Off piste is different. I love the mental challenge of deciding whether to drop in a gully or ride the spine- to decide when and where to break out of a flow of turns. That is fun, and a good rowdy off-piste line will never involve clean round turns the whole way down.

 

But, in my opinion, cleared runs should run down the fall line. Arbitrary moves off the fall line feel synthetic and arbitrary.

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