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New HEAD Supershape Speed - Need Tuning?

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Hi, Do you now if a pair of new HEAD Supershape Speed (2016) skis should a have any tuning at all before using them or not? Thanks
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Hi, Do you now if a pair of new HEAD Supershape Speed (2016) skis should a have any tuning at all before using them or not? Thanks

The come with a basic tune out of the wrapper but would benefit from a full race tune. Pull back the sidewalls, but a 3* side bevel on them and if you are feeling real randy a .5* base bevel. As far as wax, you cannot wax too much, you have a couple of months till the snow flies, start waxing now and keep waxing until these hit the snow. 

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Thanks Phil for the quick reply. I forgot to mention that i am planning to use this for recreational purposes, not for racing. Do you still recommend the same tuning parameters?

 

Thanks

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Thanks Phil for the quick reply. I forgot to mention that i am planning to use this for recreational purposes, not for racing. Do you still recommend the same tuning parameters?

 

Thanks

 

If you are a better than average technical skier, and I am assuming since you got the most technical ski of this series that will want a precise feel from the ski. Sure, you can start with a solid 1*/2* then got to the 1*/3* (I wouldn't do a .5* yet) or just get the 1*/3*. 

post #5 of 20

I would ski them once the way they are. Head's factory tune on their front side skis is pretty good, although conservative. 

If you are happy with the way ski and they have all the performance you are looking for leave them as is and wait until they need to be tuned to change the geometry.

 

If you find the edge grip is lacking or they have any odd characteristics then  by all means have a 1 base and 3 side edge put on them.

 

But I would ski the factory tune first, if nothing else to understand the difference when they are tuned.

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My Titans were NOT flat in the shovel of one ski out of the wrapper. They would have skied like pooh without some attention. 

 

Phil's advice is spot on. I think the super shape series can all benefit from a something and 3 tune. 1 for rec, .5 for tech. :)

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Thanks all for your help, I think I will wait and see how good is the factory tuning.

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Thanks all for your help, I think I will wait and see how good is the factory tuning.


Check with a true bar immediately. Anything less than flat needs work. 

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Thanks all for your help, I think I will wait and see how good is the factory tuning.


Check with a true bar immediately. Anything less than flat needs work. 

 

^This.    Make sure to check at several points along each ski. 

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FYI Only - I just got a confirmation from HEAD that the Supershape Speed 2016 default factoryedges is BASE=1 and SIDE=1.5

 

Now I don't know how accurate it is.

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Cool.

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Now I don't know how accurate it is.

 

^Pretty much why so few posters bother with 'factory angles' threads on this forum.   

Measuring the angles on the specific ski one has in one's hand is not terribly difficult.  If they're workable, good, if not, reset to favorite angles using tools or a trusted shop.

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Check with a true bar immediately. Anything less than flat needs work. 

Absolutely NOT TRUE!

 

If the are flat about 10mm in from each edge they will ski fine. 

 

Some center concavity in the tip and tail  is not that unusual and will not affect the skis performance unless it goes from edge to edge. 

post #13 of 20
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Thanks all for your help, I think I will wait and see how good is the factory tuning.

 

That's the approach I took with my SS Titans out of the wrapper. Have got about 15 days on them, and haven't found the need to do anything to them, other than regular waxing. The SS Speeds are narrower, so that may factor in to it. But I think I would try them first before you go messing with them. Chances are they may be just fine.

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Absolutely NOT TRUE!

 

If the are flat about 10mm in from each edge they will ski fine. 

 

Some center concavity in the tip and tail  is not that unusual and will not affect the skis performance unless it goes from edge to edge. 


Mine were edge to edge. 

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Thanks Mac, yes this is the approach that I am taking also.

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Mine were edge to edge. 

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Thanks Mac, yes this is the approach that I am taking also.

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FYI Only - I just got a confirmation from HEAD that the Supershape Speed 2016 default factoryedges is BASE=1 and SIDE=1.5

 

Now I don't know how accurate it is.

I can't help to wonder about why Head issues the Speed with a 1/1.5 tune. It is from their line of race skis on Head's website, and, is always seen being held by FIS podium skiers who exchange their race specific ski for the Speed immediately after the final run. Where is the logic abut a 1.5 edge tune for a hard snow carver whick would not be the first recommendation of most who are familiar with the Supershape series. Perhaps, issuing it with a conservative tune lets a typical user modify it to whatever specs they like, but, then why do a 1 degree base which needs a grind to go to something less.  Like @Philpug, I'd be in the 3 degree side club as that was my standard Supershape tune on my hard snow eastern Pa. home mountain. Hey, but I'm no expert and have to bow to Head's thinking and acknowledge they must have a reason.

 

Do you do your own tuning and could you duplicate a 1.5 edge? What dedicated edge guides do you have to maintain the edge?

post #19 of 20
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Hi Living Proof,

 

just to clarify, the i.Supershape Speed is a non FIS skis and HEAD classify the ski as a performance ski not a race ski.

 

See reference: https://www.head.com/ski/products/skis/performance/?region=us

 

I don't do my own tuning yet but I am leaning about it. As a reference, my kastle FX84 skis are 1 base and 2 side.

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Hi Living Proof,

 

just to clarify, the i.Supershape Speed is a non FIS skis and HEAD classify the ski as a performance ski not a race ski.

 

See reference: https://www.head.com/ski/products/skis/performance/?region=us

 

I don't do my own tuning yet but I am leaning about it. As a reference, my kastle FX84 skis are 1 base and 2 side.

I did check out the link to your ski, and, you are correct that your Supershape Speed is listed in the performance ski series. It is a different ski from the Supershape Rebel described in the Head Racing section. Again, Head makes me scratch my head (pardon the pun) with many of their fine distinctions and overlap of skis. They do make great carving skis.

 

But to my point about your ability to tune your own skis, at some point in the process, you will need to buy a dedicated edge guide, which is the essay and best way to maintain your edges. The process is simple, you only need a few tools and Epic has a ski tuning forum where you can learn how do it with less than $100 of tools. As your Kastle's are at 2 degrees, you might be better served by buying a 2 degree dedicated edge guide to service both skis. Then again, if you typically ski hard snow such as we get in the east coast, 3 degrees makes better sense. Decisions, decisions....somewhere your have to pick a starting point based on your specific needs. BTW, it is easy to change from 2 to 3, and, it is easy to reverse and go from 3 to 2, as  long as you have two dedicated guides. 

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