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post #31 of 35

Former non-union firefighter(6 years Rural/Metro) AND current (18+years Phoenix) union firefighter here....

 

Unions have their place.  The devil is in the details here and relate to two things;

 

1- what are the conditions at the workplace creating the need to form a union?

2-what are they trying to accomplish (pay, benefits, work hours)

 

Without a clear answer on any of these its hard to say. Union praise/bashing results from these discussions without knowing any facts and people tend to lean towards their biases.

 

Ive been involved with MANY aspects of unions all the way from hating them to trying to organize them in the workplace.(IAFF and UAW)  Too much to cover in one post here..

 

ACCURATE details would be best.....  A snapshot of the corporations finances and balance sheet will explain a lot towards the feasibility of a benefits increase. Most people think a company or its owner are always filthy rich and hoard money to themselves... not true

post #32 of 35
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Originally Posted by kurtis500 View Post
 

Former non-union firefighter(6 years Rural/Metro) AND current (18+years Phoenix) union firefighter here....

 

Unions have their place.  The devil is in the details here and relate to two things;

 

1- what are the conditions at the workplace creating the need to form a union?

2-what are they trying to accomplish (pay, benefits, work hours)

 

Without a clear answer on any of these its hard to say. Union praise/bashing results from these discussions without knowing any facts and people tend to lean towards their biases.

 

Ive been involved with MANY aspects of unions all the way from hating them to trying to organize them in the workplace.(IAFF and UAW)  Too much to cover in one post here..

 

ACCURATE details would be best.....  A snapshot of the corporations finances and balance sheet will explain a lot towards the feasibility of a benefits increase. Most people think a company or its owner are always filthy rich and hoard money to themselves... not true

Thanks for the input- what you say makes a lot of sense.

 

I believe that Taos has a relatively new owner and I don't know much about their finances.  

 

In the case of Vail Resorts, it is a publicly traded company with a market cap of just under 3.9 billion.  The stock price was under $20/share in March of 2009 and is now over $100.  The share holder dividend has increased a similar amount ($0.15 in 2009 and $0.625 currently) and executive compensation has also gone up noticeably ($5 million last year for the CEO).  Ski lesson prices and revenue have also gone up considerably while Instructor pay has been stagnant for decades. 

 

This was presented by ski school management and shows how profitable the ski school is

 

post #33 of 35
Where/when was that chart submitted to the S&R school staff?
post #34 of 35
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Where/when was that chart submitted to the S&R school staff?

At least season's kick-off meeting in Nov '14

post #35 of 35

I've been on both sides of the union debate.  I've been fired from "at-will" employment for raising a safety issue through proper channels.  A union can be big trouble or a big help for employees who want job security for doing a good job and who want reasonable pay for doing that good job.  It all depends on how both the employees and the union leadership handle the situation.  The employer who works with a reasonable union is doing themselves a favor.  The employer who fights everything makes it tough on all parties. I've seen and been part of both.  I've seen union racial discrimination, preference for the good-ol'-boys, corruption that led to federal prison time, and unions that protect the good workers and allow bad workers to be fired.  I've seen employers who's goal seems to be to make everyone miserable (while costing themselves money in the long run) and employers who use the union to get and keep valuable workers.

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