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Head Supershape Speed vs Atomic Redster D2 SL 2015-2016

post #1 of 7
Thread Starter 

Hi,

 

I am debating between the Head Supershape Speed vs Atomic Redster D2 SL. I don't have a chance to demo them so I'd like to hear from any of you that is familiar with those skis. I am not planning to race, I just want a short turn quick carver for the north eastern skiing.

 

My current skis are:

Rossi Soul 7

Rossi Experience 88 

Salomon 24 hours MAX

 

Any recommendations / opinions?

 

Thanks for any help.

post #2 of 7

I did some demoing of (cheater) SL skis in Austria last June. Posted some ratings I did of them here: http://www.epicski.com/t/141518/hard-snow-carver/60#post_1890407 (post #73 especially)

 

Haven't skied the Head Speed, but I did have the chance to ski the Magnum. I found them too - I don't know, too damp? What I mean: with my 185 lbs I get on them and it seems that I'm already used up al its spring. With the first uneven-ness I find, my knees get the hit, no more shockbreaking properties left in it to make for a comfortable ride. Does that make sense?

 

I ended up buying the Fischer RC4 Worldcup SC in 170 and I love them.

post #3 of 7

It's very possible to ski the supershapes too short. This, with the aft mount position can give you a less than ideal experience. With any head demo, take a couple of runs as the ski is set up, then ask the rep/tech to move the binding forward 1-1.5cm... It makes a difference. 

 

Aside from that, I'm more of a 'if you want a SL ski, then get a reg. FIS SL'. In my experience, they have more forebody and just ski better. 

post #4 of 7
Thread Starter 

Thanks all for your replies. I am still looking for other skiers experience with those skis that can guide me.

post #5 of 7

I own the 2009 i.Supershape Speed in 170cm (15.5 radius vs the new ones that are 14.3) and 2012 Atomic D2 SL FIS in 165 so maybe I can lend some insight.  I am early 50's, 5'11", 165-175lbs, good but not great skier (level 8-9?), 70ish days/yr.  I don't race but may start masters this year.

 

Very different characters but some similarities. 

 

The Head is easier, a bit more laid back and GSy.  Really fun to ski all over the mountain.  It likes good technique but doesn't really demand it like the Atomic.  Neither ski is particularly excited about being pushed sideways or skied in the back seat.  The Atomic is a burlier feeling ski and SUPER springy.  If you bend it you better be ready for the rebound.  I like that the binding on the Atomic allows on the fly stance adjustment, it makes the ski more versatile.  As you can imagine from the side cut differences, the Atomic is more turny.  A better comparison would be the Head i.SL RD (which I have demoed) vs the Atomic SL or the Atomic Redster DoubleDeck 3.0 (which I owned for a while last year) vs. i.Supershape Speed.  

 

On real ice, I'll take the Atomics every time.  I'm more confident at 40+mph on the Heads, the Atomics start feeling a little twitchy or ready to bite.  I think both are fun (but a workout) in powder but that is just me.  The Atomics are a work-out in pretty much all conditions, great for getting exercise.  From what I understand, you can get a more GS experience with a long length in the Head's and a more SL experience with shorter lengths (156cm to 184cm) but that isn't an option with the Atomic.

 

The tip protectors on the Atomics get a lot of questions on the lift which may be good or bad depending on your sociability.

 

My Heads are tuned .7/3 and the Atomics are .5/3 and I keep them sharp. 

 

How is your technique?  What are you trying to accomplish with this ski in your quiver?  What is your height/weight/level/mountain?

post #6 of 7
Thread Starter 

Hi Utagonian,

 

this is great information, thanks a lot, this is what I was looking for.

 

To answer your questions:

 

Technique:

I can ski most double blacks at the below locations, if this help. I am looking to refine my skiing technique mostly for my short turns.

 

Me: 47 yr, 145 lbs, 5'9"
 

Skiing Locations:

I've been skiing for the last 5 years out east and ski in Grunenwald Switzerland, Hintertux Austria and out west (mostly Jackson Hole, A-Basin and Utah) every years.
 

 

I am leaning to the Head Supershape iSpeed based on reviews and my style of skiing.

 

Great info again, thanks!

post #7 of 7
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post
 

It's very possible to ski the supershapes too short. This, with the aft mount position can give you a less than ideal experience. With any head demo, take a couple of runs as the ski is set up, then ask the rep/tech to move the binding forward 1-1.5cm... It makes a difference. 

 

Aside from that, I'm more of a 'if you want a SL ski, then get a reg. FIS SL'. In my experience, they have more forebody and just ski better. 


This!

 

I found on the Head FIS slaloms (165) that I needed to move the toe forward about 3/4'' 

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