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Do baselayer tops have much longer sleeves now?

post #1 of 13
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This is not a Patagonia gripe, but Patagonia is mosly what I have and buy.  Sleeve lengths suddenly seem to be much longer.  I have short arms and I don't begrudge guys with long arms a good fit.  I just wonder if my observation is an actual fact.  I think it's pervasive in the industry.  Every manufacturer I call has size Large with 35 inches from the center of the back to the end of the sleeve, much longer than my old tops.  Here's a photo I call the "Evolution of Patagonia Man".  From top to bottom, one from about 2004, one from 2012, and one just bought the other day.  I'm going to send it back.  I make it as 4.5, 5 inches longer for each sleeve.Created with GIMP

post #2 of 13

interesting...I find Patagonia base layers to fit great everywhere except in the sleeve.....they are a tad short for me.

post #3 of 13

Is the chest size the same?

post #4 of 13

What you have there is part of the new Patagucci collection aim for the aging and more affluent boarder crowd.

That is a "Boarder size Large" and not a "Skier size Large". Check the box.

 

 

:D

post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 

To add to what I said earlier, the long sleeved shirt is last year's silkweight, bought on close out.  I've taken to requesting actual garment dimension from Patagonia, because I don't trust the "sizing guide".  The chest and waist hem are not noticeably different from what I've had before.  And I've started to hit the shops, and requesting exact garment dimensions from Marmot, REI, etc.  Most reliable sleeve measure seems to be the one from the center of the back, usually 30 to 38 inches for standard sizes.  I am beginning to think someone rang a bell, and said all long-sleeve tops will have super long sleeves and neck tapes on the back of the collar this year.

post #6 of 13

I reckon the neck tape thing started with Under Armour - Nike also started putting it in theirs ~4 years ago.

post #7 of 13

Us guys are oblivious to everything around us. Even our own clothes. 

 

The women are way ahead of the curve on this kind of stuff. This is call vanity sizing. It been around since the 60's.

Here is an article on it. 

 

  http://www.cosmopolitan.com/style-beauty/fashion/advice/a3031/vanity-sizing/

 

The manufactures figured out even if they lied to the customer but make the customer feel good, they will buy more stuff. A win-win situation, eh. :rolleyes

post #8 of 13
I think part of the reason for the longer sleeves is also many manufacturers are trying to reach several sports with the same product. Mountaineering gear has very long sleeves by design. I believe it is so you can reach up and still be covered. Rab has long sleeves also.

Drives me bananas too. I'm short with a matching sleeve length, with a chest size that teeters between medium and large. I feel like a little kid wearing a hand me down when wearing a large.

I sent a patagucci shell back a couple years ago because of this. The sleeves went past my finger tips in a medium!

I have lots of EMS techwick base layers and even with the mediums, always fold the sleeves up. And whoever invented the thumb hole on sleeves did not have me in mind. Those are even longer!
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by L&AirC View Post

I think part of the reason for the longer sleeves is also many manufacturers are trying to reach several sports with the same product. Mountaineering gear has very long sleeves by design. I believe it is so you can reach up and still be covered. Rab has long sleeves also.

Drives me bananas too. I'm short with a matching sleeve length, with a chest size that teeters between medium and large. I feel like a little kid wearing a hand me down when wearing a large.

I sent a patagucci shell back a couple years ago because of this. The sleeves went past my finger tips in a medium!

I have lots of EMS techwick base layers and even with the mediums, always fold the sleeves up. And whoever invented the thumb hole on sleeves did not have me in mind. Those are even longer!

I think this is probably the answer. I usually gravitate toward mountaineering brands because of this. Seems like vanity sizing would actually shorten the arms ... arm length is one thing that doesn't increase with weight gain, lol.

 

And I usually can't use the thumbholes on base layers even when I want to; when I move my arms around at all, the fabric digs into the skin between my thumb and forefinger, very painful!

post #10 of 13

one thing that does drive my nuts is when the sleeves of all my layers are exactly the same length......essentially creates one giant cuff.  not comfortable at all.

post #11 of 13

For what it's worth, I found that Patagonia long sleeves were definitely longer for women last season.  I'm petite with short arms and not happy.

post #12 of 13

Patagonia is maddenly all over the f()*^'ing map on their sizing... Love their gear, ethos/business model, etc... but they lost me. I do only pro order (not returnable), and am not supposed to go into the local paty shop to check sizing... I do of course, but their sizing is so completely inconsistant that I no longer bother when I know I can count on particular sizes from other manufactures on pro pricing.

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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

Patagonia is maddenly all over the f()*^'ing map on their sizing... Love their gear, ethos/business model, etc... but they lost me. I do only pro order (not returnable), and am not supposed to go into the local paty shop to check sizing... I do of course, but their sizing is so completely inconsistant that I no longer bother when I know I can count on particular sizes from other manufactures on pro pricing.

I'm with you. I love the "all over the map" comment because if you look at where the product is made, you,lol see that it true. The have fantastic customer service and warranty, but I've had to exercise it on every piece of outer gear I have bought from them. I mailed a brand new Primo jacket for repair today along with my 2 season old 3L Triolet pants. The pants are on their second trip back this year.

I know this isn't supposed to be a Patagonia slam thread and I really do like them as a company, but when I spend that much for gear, even through the prod deal, I expect it to work each and every time.

I went back to Helly Hansen

I have also found that if you buy baselayer that is meant for indoor sports, you get a snug fit and normal length sleeves. Works great for wicking and anything after that can be loser. Usually is less money too.
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