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2016 Nordica Dobermann GP 130 Boot...anyone get their hands on one yet?

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

Hey Gang,

 

Anyone talk to the Nordica guys or see these boots in person yet?  They look phenomenal, but all the video is in French or Italian.  I've been in Nordicas for a long time and this looks like the balance between my beat up Blower 130 and a Doby 150 (too much for free skiing).  Thanks gang, hope to hear about them.

 

post #2 of 20
Go to www.nordicausa.com and you will find the specs in English. I've seen it and our shop will carry it but that's all I can offer.
post #3 of 20
Thread Starter 

Oh nice, they updated, 

 

I could have sworn I was on the site a few days ago and it was '15 gear.  I am hoping they have an ability to grind or punch fairly easily.  My foot runs wide and the softer 98mm translucent green plastic of the blower of old was fairly forgiving, while the 150 was most certainly not.  I think these will be more true, they're claiming to be friendly with the boot fitters.  Billy Haight in So.Vt. should be able to make it happen.  

 

Wonder if the beefed up strap has any give like a typical WC Booster or is simply thicker and more stagnant.  Has the look of a softer polyurethane with a ratchet, but we'll see.

 

Thanks for the look....Start Haus gang, have you heard much on these?

post #4 of 20
I'm not with Start Haus but the Nordica rep told us the new Doberman is a true 98mm last and easy to punch and grind. It should be easy for any competent fitter to work on it. We have several customers who are pretty excited about this boot.
post #5 of 20

There were no early production test boots available in 295mm shells last season so I didn't get a chance to ski the boot but Idid get to play with it some. Internal shape of the boot is very good and is the first new 98mm boot from Nordica in a while. The stance is a little more up right than the outgoing Patron/Dobermann series. The shell will accommodate internal (between the shell and sole) canting shims that are shared with the new Tecnica Mach series. Where Tecnica uses their CAS liner, Nordica is going with a cork liner for fit. 

post #6 of 20
I don't work at Start Haus either, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once and have a pair of the Nordica Dobermann GP 130. I skied the boots quite a bit last spring and am quite impressed with the boot.

It is really an evolution of the classic Dobermann last . The boot is familiar, but improved in areas that needed a refresh. The cuff strap is not elastic, but fits the boot very well, with a clever latch system also seen on the Technical Mach series. The cuff pivots allow for a good range of adjustment and can be offset to influence the cuff tracking.

The cork flow is limited to a relatively small area around the heel/Achilles zone and for the first time in several years the boot has a conventional zeppa.

The all mountain version, the GPX (replaces the Patron) looks to be a very good boot as well.


jl
post #7 of 20
Thread Starter 

Thanks jl, 

 

That's helpful.  The GPX looks like it has a warmer primaloft liner while the GP does not list it.  Did you wind up running these in all types of conditions or were they reserved for the stiffer/ groomer only days out west?  I wonder what the warmth difference is between the two.  We were skiing in single digits out here for the better part of the season, it may be a factor.  However, the GP looks like it would handle everything from Race Stock GS down while the GPX could have the same limitations as the Patron.

post #8 of 20

It's not a full bore real race boot but it will be a viable option for the vast majority of high end skiers with a lower to moderately narrow foot. Worthy being on the shopping list, remember too, there will be softer offerings too in this series. 

post #9 of 20
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Thanks jl, 

 

That's helpful.  The GPX looks like it has a warmer primaloft liner while the GP does not list it.  Did you wind up running these in all types of conditions or were they reserved for the stiffer/ groomer only days out west?  I wonder what the warmth difference is between the two.  We were skiing in single digits out here for the better part of the season, it may be a factor.  However, the GP looks like it would handle everything from Race Stock GS down while the GPX could have the same limitations as the Patron.


Ski boots are like automobiles. A company developes a chassis or platform, and then you build  sedan, convertible, coupe and small SUV variants off of it. Normally at the top of the food chain you have the race plug. Then you have the 98mm version, looks just like the real thing, but has a real liner and is meant to be somewhat wearable out of the box. The you change the graphics to give it more pop. Put in a cushier liner that provides better initial fit, softer zeppa, translucent plastic and a replaceable toe and heel with some traction and Voila! you have your all mountain/freeride version.

 

Chop down the cuff 1.5cm, put pastel accents on the buckles, fur trim around the top of the liner and you have your ladies boot. The new Nordicas are no different, except perhaps in that the race plug wasn't the first boot to be built off the new platform. It'll change next year.

 

The new generation Dobermanns are going to be a good thing for Nordica going forward. I expect they will do well in  our store and other shops this season.

 

To answer about my use of the boots, I skied everywhere at Aspen Highlands, I would ski in any other boots. They hiked the bowl, they arced big gs turns down Goldenhorn/Thunderbowl, the boots were easy to set up and ski very well.

 

jl

post #10 of 20
Instep height?
post #11 of 20
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Instep height?

 

More than Head, less than Lange. Similar to previous Dobermanns.

 

jl

post #12 of 20
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More than Head, less than Lange. Similar to previous Dobermanns.

jl

Based on a well-known vendor website, I thought Lange had the lowest instep and calf volume. Misinformation? I'm not looking for race boots, just a step up in performance all-mountain boots for my long LV foot.
post #13 of 20
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More than Head, less than Lange. Similar to previous Dobermanns.

jl

Based on a well-known vendor website, I thought Lange had the lowest instep and calf volume. Misinformation? I'm not looking for race boots, just a step up in performance all-mountain boots for my long LV foot.

Just look at the shells, you will see Lange had a higher instep height in the inherent shell design, where it is perceived that Lange has a lower instep is in that the tongue is heavily padded. I have done many tonguectomys on Langes to increase the instep room something that is easier to do on a liner than to a shell. Will it be a better option for your for? No idea without seeing your foot. 

post #14 of 20
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Based on a well-known vendor website, I thought Lange had the lowest instep and calf volume. Misinformation? I'm not looking for race boots, just a step up in performance all-mountain boots for my long LV foot.


I wouldn't say "misinformation" just a difference of opinion. In a couple of weeks these boots will be in everyone else's shops and you can put your feet in the shells and decide for yourself.

Personally, I do not find the Lange to be particularly low volume in the category of 98mm ( yes, I know they like to say 97) high performance boots.

Sometimes, I think last numbers are kind of like flex numbers.

jl
post #15 of 20
Thanks for the info. Just like to make informed choices. When I'm ready to pull the trigger, I'll head to a local bootfitter. Anyone in the Delaware area besides Bill Kaplan in north Philadelphia? I wear 15AA running shoes (31 cm with a 105-110 mm last). I have shortish toes and long ball of foot to heel, and a pretty low instep.
post #16 of 20
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Thanks for the info. Just like to make informed choices. When I'm ready to pull the trigger, I'll head to a local bootfitter. Anyone in the Delaware area besides Bill Kaplan in north Philadelphia? I wear 15AA running shoes (31 cm with a 105-110 mm last). I have shortish toes and long ball of foot to heel, and a pretty low instep.

Can't think of anyone off hand, I am not sure who is there since when I left 5 years ago. I do hear good things about Heino's in North Joysee. If you ski mostly in Vermont, your options open up. 

post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by XLTL View Post

Thanks for the info. Just like to make informed choices. When I'm ready to pull the trigger, I'll head to a local bootfitter. Anyone in the Delaware area besides Bill Kaplan in north Philadelphia? I wear 15AA running shoes (31 cm with a 105-110 mm last). I have shortish toes and long ball of foot to heel, and a pretty low instep.

I always thought Billy was one of the best.
post #18 of 20
Besides the conventional zepa, cork liner, etc, is it pretty much the same stance, delta and last as the Doberman pro 130, or is it really a whole new fit?
Thanks
post #19 of 20
Dear nordica: make the dobermann boot in a 93-5mm last so us with low volume foot people dont have to ski the plug version. rolleyes.gif
post #20 of 20

I Just tested my Dopermann GP 130 boots (2016 models, size 28,5) and I was surprised how comfortable boots can be. Nordica was made a tip changes, now for a toes is more room. I skis about 1,5 hours without any problem or pain which is abnormal for a new boots before liners are modified. Before you ask, yes, I always used liner in the oven before place the boots on the snow first time. Also power drive is nice to use but can't use them as a handle anymore because fast locking mechanism. Also shell is wide enough which was one my reason why I bought again the Nordica boots.

 

I have use Nordica boots since beginning 90's...

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