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post #31 of 44

We have day tripped from Winter Park to both Steamboat and Copper.

 

RMSP+ is a brilliant idea. Will save you lots of money and you will see three very different feeling towns and mountains.

 

Steamboat is a great town with wonderful restaurants and a "real US western town feel",  and agree with Finn that in town is nicer than on-hill.

 

Winter Park is a big mountain with a lot of very different terrain; great tree skiing and some hike-to steeps and famous (or infamous) bumps. Also a terrific ski school. Winter Park/Fraser towns are not fancy resorts, just little towns. A wonderful recreations center the kids will love.

 

Copper is a kind of self-contained resort where you can stay at the mountain in a condo or hotel. It has more open bowl kind of skiing. Copper sports really beautiful views and even a free cat that will take you up onto a ridge for quite the adventure.

 

If you want to do a full-on Cat skiing day, you can do either Steamboat Powdercats, which is nice for its tiered ability groups, or you can do Powder Addiction out of Winter Park, which uses a huge and spectacular area at Jones Pass with much of the terrain facing north. This is less important in January when it's likely to be cold, but can make a difference in snow quality if it warms up.

 

there is NO guarantee you will see powder at any of these mountains. But with 16 days in January, you have a pretty good chance no matter which you choose.

 

 

Both Steamboat and Winter Park offer lots of non-ski outdoor activities from snow shoeing and dog sledding and hot springing.

post #32 of 44

if you do aim at Steamboat, being neutral as I see pro's and con's ...

 

one thing to consider too, if you're planning to lock in this month, Steamboat passes are "discounted" 30% which eases the pain an really, while still pricey a far better deal if your kids are between 5 and 12 as they's qualify for KSF (Kids ski free)

 

however at 30% off, they're still in the $70 to $75 a day at the 8, 9, 10 rates. KSF is valid on adult pass of 5 or more days.

 

This month too, one can save on lessons and consider too, that if you and your wife wishes to take a day off or hit Powdercats (they run ~$400 ea per day - but that's really $400 - $75 paid for lifts at Steamboat) while kids are at ski school (logistics may require one be old enough to check themselves out and pick up the other) then the ski school might still be offering a $35 add on pass, I looked but couldn't confirm this is still valid.

 

I'd suggest in either case of 14 days or less, play around with Steamboats booking site. They do a decent job at pointing out any and all discounts available. Your travel agent should also have these available but it's somewhat fun playing around.

 

 

 

pete

post #33 of 44

good post @pete  I really strongly suggest calling them and discussing options. They can often put together more options for better overall deals on the phone. 

post #34 of 44
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Originally Posted by pete View Post
 

if you do aim at Steamboat, being neutral as I see pro's and con's ...

 

one thing to consider too, if you're planning to lock in this month, Steamboat passes are "discounted" 30% which eases the pain an really, while still pricey a far better deal if your kids are between 5 and 12 as they's qualify for KSF (Kids ski free)

 

however at 30% off, they're still in the $70 to $75 a day at the 8, 9, 10 rates. KSF is valid on adult pass of 5 or more days.

 

This month too, one can save on lessons and consider too, that if you and your wife wishes to take a day off or hit Powdercats (they run ~$400 ea per day - but that's really $400 - $75 paid for lifts at Steamboat) while kids are at ski school (logistics may require one be old enough to check themselves out and pick up the other) then the ski school might still be offering a $35 add on pass, I looked but couldn't confirm this is still valid.

 

I'd suggest in either case of 14 days or less, play around with Steamboats booking site. They do a decent job at pointing out any and all discounts available. Your travel agent should also have these available but it's somewhat fun playing around.

 

 

 

pete

Steamboat Powdercats is 600 per day for single seats if you book the whole cat it's 500 per day per person but single seats are 600 per day

post #35 of 44
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Originally Posted by pete View Post

if you do aim at Steamboat, being neutral as I see pro's and con's ...

one thing to consider too, if you're planning to lock in this month, Steamboat passes are "discounted" 30% which eases the pain an really, while still pricey a far better deal if your kids are between 5 and 12 as they's qualify for KSF (Kids ski free)

however at 30% off, they're still in the $70 to $75 a day at the 8, 9, 10 rates. KSF is valid on adult pass of 5 or more days.

This month too, one can save on lessons and consider too, that if you and your wife wishes to take a day off or hit Powdercats (they run ~$400 ea per day - but that's really $400 - $75 paid for lifts at Steamboat) while kids are at ski school (logistics may require one be old enough to check themselves out and pick up the other) then the ski school might still be offering a $35 add on pass, I looked but couldn't confirm this is still valid.

I'd suggest in either case of 14 days or less, play around with Steamboats booking site. They do a decent job at pointing out any and all discounts available. Your travel agent should also have these available but it's somewhat fun playing around.



pete

If you are booking through a specialist ski travel agent here in NZ their lift pass deals are often better than what you can get purchasing yourself.
post #36 of 44
 
Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
 

  I really strongly suggest calling them and discussing options. They can often put together more options for better overall deals on the phone. 

Always good to check direct for comparisons ... yes!  I used to keep a spreadsheet of a lot of price options for each trip the first 8 yrs to Steamboat ... partially as I was asked to find a place, handy for keeping the peace.

 

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If you are booking through a specialist ski travel agent here in NZ their lift pass deals are often better than what you can get purchasing yourself.

agree too, Ran into a couple from Georgia last year and they booked via a travel agent who got way better prices than Steamboat Central, I'd agree especially given overseas. There seems to be a lot of hidden paybacks that offer agents specials to gather more visitors to the area.

 

This is really common with airlines and service to Hayden, prices would be way higher if not for the agreements that help fill seats.

 

Simply put, lot of the specialized agents have deals that just can't be beat. Not recommending stateside but Sitzmark in KC area specializes in Ski travel and have a lot of great prices. Picked up discounted lifts when they were long gone elsewhere ...

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by UGASkiDawg View Post
 

Steamboat Powdercats is 600 per day for single seats if you book the whole cat it's 500 per day per person but single seats are 600 per day


ouch, obviously my error in not having checked in the last few years! mea culpa!

post #37 of 44

I have the RMSP plus, and I think that would be the best deal for an extended trip to Colorado for skiing that would include Steamboat.  I met several Europeans last year who tried to do something separate through the resort and travel agents, but in the end realized the RMSP plus gave them the most diverse skiing at the best price.  I would suggest perhaps thinking about spending a week at Steamboat, and the rest of the time at Winter Park.  It's not a bad drive for the day to Copper from WP, so could still sample that, without having to pack up and move resorts a third time.  And sometimes the Mary Jane side can really catch some excellent storms when the other resorts get skunked.  

 

There's no way to tell what the winter will bring, but last January, Steamboat did not get much fresh powder, but Winter Park/Mary Jane and Copper did better.  So that's the other reason to think about getting RMSP plus so you have options.

 

Anyway, good luck with your trip and see you out on the slopes!

post #38 of 44

Last year was a strange one throughout the West, one I hope won't be repeated for a long time.  Long term, in terms of January snowfall and ski conditions, Steamboat is highly favored, Winter Park decent and Copper sometimes lags behind and isn't fully open until late in the month.  That said, I like Copper's terrain better than Winter Park's and would lean toward more time there if it's fully open.  If you get the RMSP+ it's unlimited at Copper and Winter Park so you can defer that choice until you arrive in Steamboat and see how the snow is shaping up.

post #39 of 44
I could stay in SB for 16 days. No way I could ski 16 days straight anywhere though.
I would try the RMSP+ and do either WP or Copper in addition to SB.

Also I would strongly suggest staying in Downtown SB and taking the bus to and from the mountain rather than the opposite. I've done it both ways.

I could expound on that if you like.
Edited by WC68 - 8/17/15 at 7:01pm
post #40 of 44

Short answer is no.

Have had two holidays of one month there.  Total ski time in Steamboat 7 weeks so far and am booked in for 6 weeks this season. I have not exhausted finding new hidden gems in the trees and that is before leaving the play pen and skiing the side country. 

 

Have skiied Taos, BRidge, Loveland , A Basin, Winter Park, Copper, Vail, BeaverC, Aspen Highlands, Ajax, JacksoH, Alta, Snowbird, Park City, WhistlerBlackcomb, Lake Louise, Sunshine and most of Hokkaido (Niseko, Tomamu, Furano, Asahidake, Kamui, Pippu)  BUT KEEP GOING BACK TO THE BOAT.

 

Steamboat has to be the friendliest ski resort in the world (even more friendly than Mt Cheeseman) (That is until you ask about the backcountry gate skiing.  Then they go all Aspen/Jackson Hole on you!)

 

Side country to the south mainly mellow but to the north (Fish Creek Canyon mainly knarly/EXTREEME) .  When people say steamboat is lacking in expert terrain they have not gone out the gates into the Canyon.  Find a friend to do it with as you can get cliffed out and need skins to find a way out. 

 

2 weeks is about break even for buying an earlybird season pass so best to do it this way.

 

Have a great trip. If you are there in January would be happy to meet up.

post #41 of 44

I'm not nearly as advanced as Robert, but will strongly agree it is one of the friendliest resorts I have ever been to. Everyone on the mountain from the ski rental shop to the private instructors are all top notch and as personable as can be. You definitely don't feel like an outsider and the short lift lines make it even more enjoyable. Can't say enough positive things about it.

post #42 of 44
If you are planning on visiting Steamboat without a car, make sure you are right on a bus line. There are plenty of properties that aren't, and that don't have good pedestrian routes to the bus. I saw an awful lot of people walking on icy roads with no sidewalks trying to balance groceries; They'd probably been told they didn't need a car in Steamboat, but that's just not true for all properties.
post #43 of 44
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Originally Posted by RobertBurns View Post
 

Short answer is no.

Have had two holidays of one month there.  Total ski time in Steamboat 7 weeks so far and am booked in for 6 weeks this season. I have not exhausted finding new hidden gems in the trees and that is before leaving the play pen and skiing the side country. 

 

Have skiied Taos, BRidge, Loveland , A Basin, Winter Park, Copper, Vail, BeaverC, Aspen Highlands, Ajax, JacksoH, Alta, Snowbird, Park City, WhistlerBlackcomb, Lake Louise, Sunshine and most of Hokkaido (Niseko, Tomamu, Furano, Asahidake, Kamui, Pippu)  BUT KEEP GOING BACK TO THE BOAT.

 

Steamboat has to be the friendliest ski resort in the world (even more friendly than Mt Cheeseman) (That is until you ask about the backcountry gate skiing.  Then they go all Aspen/Jackson Hole on you!)

 

Side country to the south mainly mellow but to the north (Fish Creek Canyon mainly knarly/EXTREEME) .  When people say steamboat is lacking in expert terrain they have not gone out the gates into the Canyon.  Find a friend to do it with as you can get cliffed out and need skins to find a way out. 

 

2 weeks is about break even for buying an earlybird season pass so best to do it this way.

 

Have a great trip. If you are there in January would be happy to meet up.

Welcome to EpicSki!  In case you haven't found it yet, Steamboat in one of the places that has an on-going meet up thread started by the EpicSki Ambassador, @Finndog .

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/142245/skiing-at-steamboat-for-the-2015-16-season-post-up-your-dates-and-lets-make-some-turns

post #44 of 44
Feel free to post up your dates. The entire region is shaping up very nicely. try to @ me or PM m as i am not here much but will be happy to reply.
Edited by Finndog - 11/20/15 at 9:46am
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