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rossignol e88 vs atomic blackeye ti 2016 [intermediate in Australia]

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Hello,

I'm in the market for my first pair of skis. I am about intermediate. I had a demo of both the rossignol e80 and atomic blackeye. I havent had the chance to demo the rossignol e88. From reviews I have read it appears to be one of the best skis out. It also compares quite closely to Atomic blackeye. This ski felt pretty good but ive only spent 2 hrs on it. Its quite new so I cant find many reviews on it (but 2015 model was a top seller).

So Im not sure which ski to buy. I want to keep learning and improving and will ski a few times per year now.

Any suggestions or opinions on the skis I short listed, or any others I should consider?

Thanks.
post #2 of 13

Take a look at this article if you haven't : http://www.epicski.com/a/five-key-questions-when-buying-new-skis

 

A couple more questions to answer... 

 

Where do you ski?

Height/weight?

 

I'm an intermediate myself (6', 210 lbs), skiing mainly the mid-Atlantic, and just bought my first pair of skis at the end of last season. And though I haven't tried many skis, so I'm not an expert like some other folks here, these happen to be two that I have been on.

 

I skied the E88 for three days in Vail last year, and I liked it. It was stable, and relatively easy to turn, but seemed somewhat heavy and stiff for me (which seemed to help off-piste, and in crudier stuff). Worked well for Vail, but I didn't think it would be great for where I usually ski.

 

I bought the Blackeye (non-Ti version) when I got my first pair of boots (so the boots may definitely color my perception). Since I got the non-Ti, they're definitely more flexible, and seemed more agile than the E88. And since I'm usually just on hard groomers, and not crud or powder, or soft stuff, they seem to work well for me. I might out-grow them if I continue to improve, but they're great for now.

 

I'd guess the Ti version of the Blackeye would be closer to the E88 in stiffness/stability. 

post #3 of 13

My guy has the Atomic Blackeye TI from a couple years ago and he grew to dislike it in east coast hard pack.  Not sure what changes they've done over the past couple years.  Now he's an aggressive advanced skier and is 5'8" 180lbs so that might change things from your perspective.  

 

What is your weight/height and where do you ski primarily and on what types of conditions.  


Edited by surfsnowgirl - 8/7/15 at 10:39am
post #4 of 13

I should also add (and I'm surprised that I didn't), don't think about skis until you've figured out boots.

 

Boots are MUCH more important, and you need to find a good bootfitter first.

post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by dbostedo View Post

I should also add (and I'm surprised that I didn't), don't think about skis until you've figured out boots.

Boots are MUCH more important, and you need to find a good bootfitter first.

^^^^^^^THIS! Skis are basically irrelevant until you have boots that fit your feet instead of someone else's feet. That means dealing with a competent and experienced boot fitter, not some guy who happens to have a seasonal job in a sporting goods store that sells ski gear.
post #6 of 13
Thread Starter 
Hello,

Thanks for your quick and helpful response. Some extra info from me:
*I have my own boots and bought them and fitted with an experienced and highly recommended guy (sorted)
*im 80kg, 178cm, ski only in Australia (Perisher) so far but plan to ski overseas in future (USA Colorado or Japan).
*I have a full day today on the Atomic Blackeye TI, so I will have a better idea.
*Though I also heard great reviews on Rossignol experience 88, which looks to have similar profile (stiffness, skill range etc) to the Atomic Blackeye TI
*I skiied only 2 weekends past 3 years but skiing 5 long weekends this year. Planning to ski every year and improve further.
*I tend to pick up lots of speed and struggled with control...though felt much better on advanced Skis, could control my pace better and more stable and parallel.
post #7 of 13
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Originally Posted by korch View Post

Hello,

Thanks for your quick and helpful response. Some extra info from me:
*I have my own boots and bought them and fitted with an experienced and highly recommended guy (sorted)
*im 80kg, 178cm, ski only in Australia (Perisher) so far but plan to ski overseas in future (USA Colorado or Japan).
*I have a full day today on the Atomic Blackeye TI, so I will have a better idea.
*Though I also heard great reviews on Rossignol experience 88, which looks to have similar profile (stiffness, skill range etc) to the Atomic Blackeye TI
*I skiied only 2 weekends past 3 years but skiing 5 long weekends this year. Planning to ski every year and improve further.
*I tend to pick up lots of speed and struggled with control...though felt much better on advanced Skis, could control my pace better and more stable and parallel.

 

Sounds like your on the right track... One last question... are you taking, or planning to take, any lessons?

post #8 of 13
Thread Starter 
I had a private lesson last year which made a huge difference.

I know areas I need to improve on and will probably have another lesson this year.
post #9 of 13

I own the Blackeye (181cm) and have demoed several versions of the Experience series.  If you were talking about the old version of the E88 I would have said it has a full sidewall and is therefore noticeably more ski.  However, I note the newest version of the 88 has moved to Rossi's minicap sandwich construction, like the narrower models, and that will change the feel of that ski.

 

At 81 in the waist the Atomic is more comparable to the Experience 80 (the Atomic Nomad Crimson ti, at 86mm in the waist, is more comparable to the E88).  Both the have a similar 'partial sidewall / partial cap' construction; the Rossi has early rise in both tip and tail, whereas the Blackeye has early rise only in the tip; the Atomic has a layer of titanal (helps with damping the ski) and the Rossi has basalt fibres laid up in the mix (to help with damping the ski).  So, they're similar skis in many ways.  The 88 will be more ski again, and will be a bit wider than average in our local areas.  That's no big deal, as the 88 is at home on a groomer and is pretty good in our cut-up afternoon chop.

 

All of the above options will grow with you as you progress your skiing - an important consideration.  If you liked the E80 the E88 will have a similar feel, but will be a beefier ski and a bit slower rolling from edge to edge.  If you're heading overseas the 88 might be the better choice but, if not, the narrower ski might make more sense.  The Atomic will have a slightly lighter, more lively feel on the snow, but there's not a great deal between them otherwise.

 

Hard to make a bad choice between them.  For where you are in your progression I'd opt for the narrower ski, rather than the 88.

 

Best of luck.

post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the insight.
I demoed the new ros e80 last week and preferred the blackeye.

That said it was my first weekend on the slopes and conditions were windy and snowy so probably not a fair comparison.

Though with blackeye I felt good grip on hard snow on turns and good stability at speed. They are meant to advanced intermediate/expert. I felt I was a beginner last year but handled these skis quite well so I must be improving smile.gif

E88 I was referring was 2016 model. I will probably lean towards blackeye and dont want to confuse myself by trying too many different skis.
post #11 of 13

Hello!  I too am also considering purchasing the new 2016 Blackeye ti this year and need some help deciding.  Right now I'm on the Fischer Motive 76 (175cm).  I'm 6'3" (190cm) and as much as I love these skis, I feel like I'm over-powering them.  I definitely consider myself an adv intermediate, but I need a ski that will help me improve my skill.  I'm torn between the 2016 Blackeye ti (181cm) and the 2016 Fischer Motive 80 (182cm).  What would you guys recommend?  Thanks!

post #12 of 13
Thread Starter 

Hello,

 

I actually bought the Blackeye's a few weeks ago and have really enjoyed them.

 

I felt I made strong progression from last year 'beginner' to now intermediate (even close to advanced intermediate).

 

Definitely a good ski to grow you skiing skills right through to expert level.

 

I'm 178cm tall and bought the 174cm ski's.

 

I found I could turn quite easily with these ski's, they are light weight (though still look massive), and very stable if you want to pick up some speed. Plus they look pretty cool.

 

Cheers,

Korch

post #13 of 13
Also bought the Nomad Blackeye ti 2015 167cm. Very happy with them. Similar to Korch, intermediate Aussie only skiied here.
46yr male, 173cm (5,8) 76kg (167lbs).
Ordered another ski on line but they never arrived so bought the nomads instead after several retailers said they would be better than my original choice. Was worried about the advanced int/expert rating. Shouldn't have worried, they are great. Advanced a lot more than I expected this season (lessons helped too) and skiied well on double blue runs, that I would not attempt in 2014.
The skis are heavier than I expected but I found that to be a good thing. I had no problems in our icy conditions with edge hold, found them to be very stable at speed.
I thought they might be too stiff but they're perfect for an intermediate looking to advance. I think smoke would've been too soft and the crimson too stiff.
They don't like going slow, work a lot better with some speed.
I get into the back seat a bit if I get tired our lazy and they got away from me at times during first two days until I got used to them. After that I loved them. I'd buy them again. Very happy.
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