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Wait. Let's re-read the title of this thread carefully. Maybe none of us is really providing feedback pertinent to the actual challenge at hand.


No, the feedback is good!

 

My hesitance with the Kastle is the lack of rocker. A 164 with no rocker might be a lot more ski than I want, considering the Sambas in a 166 with quite a bit of rocker are about as long as I'd want to go. I skied the Salomon Bamboo last year in a 165 (??) for a couple days and they were so SLOW edge-to-edge compared to the Sambas. And they have tip rocker. They were so much work to ski even at 74 underfoot. And I'll reiterate that I don't mind working hard, but my knees feel otherwise.

 

I wouldn't be concerned with the lack of rocker because of what you are going to use it for..hard snow. The Motive 86, I consider having more of an extended tip profile than rocker, very smooth into the turn and adds more turn radius as you increase the edge angle. I would not dismiss a Head Rev 80 or 85, two skis that you should be able to find on closeout in the sizes that you are looking for. 

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post #32 of 80
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They were so BORING to me. They had no pop at all. I felt they had less oomph than the BP's. I don't like a jittery ski BUT I think I like a ski that will give some energy back when you push it. So yeah, the Yumi's just made me yawn ;) The BP's are a hoot to ski, I just got to where I couldn't stand them on hard pack/ice.

The metal that is in them, and the lengths falling right in the range that I'm not sure I fit in (161 or 169.) I have never skied a ski with metal and am fearful they'll be too much. I'm trying to remember if @qcanoe has skied them both (Samba and Motive 86.) He might be able to weigh in for me.

 

Have you skied them, or just the 95's? I think it helps having those who know the Samba and how it skis weigh in. Where's @Trekchick when I need her?

 

I also kinda feel like I am the prototypical female skier based on my stats AND skill level. The reviews I've read on the Motive make it sound like it might be just a bit too aggressive for me and what I'm wanting out of this ski.

I love the dampness of skis with 2 sheets of metal... and I also like the snapiness of a woodcore/no metal ski ( like the Steadfast)...

The beauty with the  Motive 86 is that it stand between the 2 with is air tech ti technology ( the metal sheet is perforated): so the ski is more lively than a classic all metal ski but still has some dampness... And I should say that it has a lot of dampness in regard to his weight ( so light!)!

 

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Yeah I have. (And as of this week closer in size to you than ever, for better or worse. Get it? Weigh in?)



I have formal reviews of both up on the site somewhere. I was on the 173 Samba and the 168 Motive 86. Bottom line is that the Motive struck me as much more groomer / carve oriented than I expected. Stiff and edgy. Bigger people disagree, I know. A blast on firm consistent snow at speed. Too much ski off piste for me. There is a lot of tail there. Possibly a shorter length would be better. Don't agree with seg about feel between Fischer and Kästle: Fischers feel WAY less damp to me. I liked the MX83 better than the Motive 86 for a groomer oriented all mountain. Smoother and quieter, with the power more easy to modulate. I have not been on the Motive 95, but I've seen it. It's a TOTALLY different shape, from both top and side views, than the 86. I'm sure they ski way different.

I think you need to try the Latigo.

Altought the shape and rocker  are differents; they ski very similar considering one is a 86 mm ski and the other a 95...so the 95 will be more stable and damp...

I'm 215 pounds and also consider them stiff and edgy...but not overboard...

post #33 of 80
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I wouldn't be concerned with the lack of rocker because of what you are going to use it for..hard snow. The Motive 86, I consider having more of an extended tip profile than rocker, very smooth into the turn and adds more turn radius as you increase the edge angle. I would not dismiss a Head Rev 80 or 85, two skis that you should be able to find on closeout in the sizes that you are looking for. 


Phil, you've hooked me up before (with skis!) Anything else you think I should keep an eye out for?

The Motives are definitely becoming more intriguing, I just don't want them to ski me more than I ski them. Can you please go find a snowfield and put TC on some so she can weigh in? Since she and I both are huge Samba fans?! :D

post #34 of 80

Here is one more data point, to confuse you more maybe lol, but to explain why I think the Fischers are worth a shot: when I buy hard snow skis, where I live, I don't like to spend a lot of money. Unfortunately, it seems like a lot of the best skis for that are pretty darn expensive, compared to less "technical" types of skis.

 

I have kind of wanted a pair of Head Supershapes for years, but they just cost too much for the amount of time I would use them, ie, not all that often. So I like to jump on a deal. If I lived in the East, however, and this would be my daily driver, I would worry a lot more about it. I would spend more money, I would probably demo, too. Here, my daily driver for the past 8 or 9 years has been something in the 90s; that's the important ski. You have great soft snow skis, hopefully you'll get to spend 90% of your time on those, anyway. 

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I wouldn't be concerned with the lack of rocker because of what you are going to use it for..hard snow. The Motive 86, I consider having more of an extended tip profile than rocker, very smooth into the turn and adds more turn radius as you increase the edge angle. I would not dismiss a Head Rev 80 or 85, two skis that you should be able to find on closeout in the sizes that you are looking for. 


Phil, you've hooked me up before (with skis!) Anything else you think I should keep an eye out for?

The Motives are definitely becoming more intriguing, I just don't want them to ski me more than I ski them. Can you please go find a snowfield and put TC on some so she can weigh in? Since she and I both are huge Samba fans?! :D


I vote for a trip to Chile.  Just tell me what you want me to get on :D

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I vote for a trip to Chile.  Just tell me what you want me to get on :D

Clearly I need to help you both out, by the way.

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SEG, that's a very valid point, actually. I'm waiting to see if the price drops on them again, then might just go for it. Then I'll need bindings.

 

And isn't Chile getting POUNDED this winter? Sounds like we need to conduct some testing down there...

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I have only skied the Sambas once. I liked them and found them similar to my first generation Nordica Nemesis.

I suggest Kastle LX 82. I have these for my everyday skis and the Nemesis for powder days. I am 5'8, 135 and have the Kastles in 172. I think the next size down is 164 which should work for you.


LX82 on the short list for sure. Another 80mm ski that flies under the radar is the Nordica Nrgy 80.... one of the best skis for $500 MAP on the ski wall. 

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Wait. Let's re-read the title of this thread carefully. Maybe none of us is really providing feedback pertinent to the actual challenge at hand.


No, the feedback is good!

My bad here for not using some à propos smilies. Close-reading Bears who have known me longer, such as segbrown and sibhusky, are all too familiar with my bad habit of launching into riffs on grammatical ambiguities, without any regard for taste or potential for actual humor. In this case, think "aspiring actress" or "aspiring ski instructor" and the general direction of my idiotic mumbling above will become clear. smile.gif
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I vote for a trip to Chile.  Just tell me what you want me to get on :D

Clearly I need to help you both out, by the way.


I hope @contesstant  appreciates the sort of sacrifice we're considering. 

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I hope @contesstant  appreciates the sort of sacrifice we're considering. 


I'm always willing to assist in checking items off people's bucket lists.

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It's ALL about the sacrifice.

post #43 of 80
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 I wish the Black Pearls had just a bit more oomph to them.  I now want a whole lot more ski! Just narrower...

 

I truly want a mid-80's Samba.

Any reason you aren't considering demoing a 166cm Blizzard Brahma? It's exactly what you are asking for.

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Any reason you aren't considering demoing a 166cm Blizzard Brahma? It's exactly what you are asking for.


Nope, no reason--again, definitely taking suggestions so appreciate it. @Philpug, any thoughts? A burlier Black Pearl essentially? I did see women out on them at Snowbasin last season. Snowbasin had Blizzard skis to demo.

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OK, the Brahma sounds like WAY too much ski. If the guys at Blister say it's quite a lot of ski, considering I am a "average" weight female, I'm pretty sure it'd be way too much for me.

 

I want to hear more about the Head Total Joy. I might just have to demo them up at Snowbasin. Reviewers seem to not say much about THIS particular ski being too "jittery" and the light weight of them would certainly make my knees happy on some of the long, slow chair rides at Snowbasin. And they come in a good length for me at 163. Hard to find cheap, though.

 

I'm just anxious to get this season started!

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I'll weigh in here, as a spouse. My wife is a very strong skier. 57, lifelong skier, skis 60+ days a season, pretty much split between CO and New England. {Sugarloaf in Maine is our home base}. She's about 5'5", 145 lbs. Real solid. 

 

We have two adult kids. The older one is a full time, year-round alpine coach, based in the Rockies. Very serious, very intense, very knowledgable, and really an equipment "guy." Despite that bio, he's a good guy, and he still loves skiing with his Mom. Our daughter lives in Denver, and is a weekend warrior….from the first minute she can make turns, until A-Basin is pretty well cooked. Also sneaks away a couple of times a winter. Both kids were NorAm/NCAA skiers. But they are even better free skiers. They rip, and in the case of our daughter, people are often amazed when she stops to see a pretty small woman. Our son is contracted with Blizzard/Nordica {unusual deal}. Our daughter has a bunch of strong contacts in the industry. Most of our skis are Blizzards, Heads, and Nordicas. 

 

Two seasons ago, our son got mom a pair of Black Pearls, in a 166cm. Supposed to be the do-all, Swiss army knife. I can say that she hated that ski, in pretty much every condition, which I know is a very contrarian view. One of our ski buddies is a former national team skier, and she tried them and proclaimed that they "did nothing for her." So out came the comments about how they felt like planks, 2X4's, blah-blah. I had a friend who runs a good tuning shop, and sells a lot of Blizzard stuff check them out. Maybe my son's guys set them up wrong? Maybe the mounting point was wrong? Nope…bases perfect, 1/3 tune perfect. She just didn't like them. Particularly didn't like them on firm snow. Didn't like the way they engaged {or didn't} in a turn. They have since moved on to a niece, another weekend warrior in Denver, who is super athletic, and a pretty darn good skier…..and she just loves them. Go figure. Our observation is that you're black or white on that ski. 

 

This past fall, we got my wife on a pair of 163cm Head Super Joys, and I couldn't believe how much she loved the ski, and how in the words of our son, "she was just sending it."  Hard snow carver solved. OK, we were about to head {no pun intended} to CO for our second trip of the year. Back in early February. No fresh snow. She brought the Super Joys. Lots of smiles, fun, and confidence on all sorts of stuff. BTW, I'm a life long skier, extensive race and coaching background…..we're not casual or timid skiers. While out there, our son's girlfriend {also a coach} hands my wife a late Christmas present…..163cm Total Joys. We also got into a pattern of about 6-8" of fresh snow every couple of days. So the surface was different, a bit skied out, etc. 

 

She adored that ski as an every day, "not much new snow" ski in CO. I mean she loves it as much as she loves the Super Joys on the real firm of home. She also thinks both of these skis are really versatile. Turn shapes, speed, the works. Loves them. They now live in CO, and will be skied there….a lot.

 

Interestingly enough, the ski that she skis when there's a bit more snow is a Samba. Great ski for her in a foot of new snow, or less. What we'd call powder day back East. No interest in a 98mm ski as her daily driver. She's tried the other Head Joys, and wasn't enamored….Big Joy was flatline. 

 

Agree on the Brahma comments. Our daughter skis a180cm Bonafide as her everyday ski. She skis a 176cm Firearrow84 EDT as her her firm snow ski, and an older pair of FIS SL skis is it's just rock hard. Powder skis are a 185cm Patron. She's skied a bunch of the Blizzard lineup, and one ski that she absolutely hated was the Brahma. I think she's skied in in maybe a 173cm, and a 180cm. I have a quite few days on the Brahma, and it really works for me. I'm selling  pair as a have too many skis, and too much overlap. But I'm a strong and fit 205 lbs, and I really work a ski. Almost all of my skis are a race sandwich layup, with a lot of metal. I think the Brahma would be a tough choice for any woman, even those who free ski for a living. I think it needs some weight on it. 

 

But for a stronger guy, they are a really great one ski quiver choice for the East, and for a lot of the rest of the country. But can't endorse them for a woman. 

 

Try the other Joy's…..Game changer in our house. 


Edited by Muleski - 8/8/15 at 8:59pm
post #47 of 80
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OK, the Brahma sounds like WAY too much ski. If the guys at Blister say it's quite a lot of ski, considering I am a "average" weight female, I'm pretty sure it'd be way too much for me.

 

I want to hear more about the Head Total Joy. I might just have to demo them up at Snowbasin. Reviewers seem to not say much about THIS particular ski being too "jittery" and the light weight of them would certainly make my knees happy on some of the long, slow chair rides at Snowbasin. And they come in a good length for me at 163. Hard to find cheap, though.

 

I'm just anxious to get this season started!


I took a couple runs on the Absolut Joy and the Total Joy at the Massanutten demo day (1000 ft vertical, groomed man-made snow on short trails).  Liked both a lot.  Main reason I was more interested in the Absolut Joy in terms of a purchase is that the Total Joy seemed like an overlap with my Black Pearls.  Obviously ski a bit differently, but couldn't see much reason to own both.  Note that I generally like Rossi,  Blizzard, and Dynaster women's skis, but find Volkl skis too much work.

post #48 of 80

Contesstant have you thought about getting a  " REAL DEAL " frontside ripper and forgetting about a boring wanna be frontside ski that starts with an 8???You have the samba, from what you and alot of people say is fantastic on storm days and even 4 or 5 days later.Put your your big girl skirt on and get something that starts with a 7!!!!! ( insert two smiley faces here ! )

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Contesstant have you thought about getting a  " REAL DEAL " frontside ripper and forgetting about a boring wanna be frontside ski that starts with an 8???You have the samba, from what you and alot of people say is fantastic on storm days and even 4 or 5 days later.Put your your big girl skirt on and get something that starts with a 7!!!!! ( insert two smiley faces here ! )

 

She said the Sambas hurt her knees unless she's in powder, so she wants a narrower ski. I don't think that will translate to "fantastic" 4 or 5 days after a storm.

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I liked muleski's comments a lot. They jibe with my general experience, including my short time on Brahmas.
post #51 of 80
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@Muleski, fantastic feedback! Very helpful, thanks so much! Knowing that ANOTHER Samba lover loves the Total Joy for days when there isn't as much soft/fresh stuff around is helpful. She's surely a far more skilled pilot than I am, but if I can handle the Sambas, I can't be THAT bad ;) I did have a friend who worked at Snowbasin last winter take out the Total Joys several times and said they were, "fun as hell." But she's the kind who tends to skid her way down the hill on the edge of control half the time, so I didn't take her opinion with much weight. I'll have to ask up there if they will be demoing them again this season.

 

And @viking9, I prefer an all-mountain mid-80's width because we TYPICALLY don't get many true top-to-bottom firm groomer days here (ok, we never do.) In fact, we can hit conditions that run the gamut in one run here, and certainly in one day. When I hit that giant slush spot last season on my 80mm Viva's that caused my injury, I am convinced that I would have stayed out of trouble on a bit wider ski. Ironic that I was heading back to the car to get my Sambas as conditions were a lot softer that day than I had anticipated!

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... have you thought about getting a  " REAL DEAL " frontside ripper and forgetting about a boring wanna be frontside ski that starts with an 8 ... get something that starts with a 7!!!!! 

 

I was in agreement with the above, although the waist measurement for a REAL DEAL frontside ripper could easily start with a 6 ...

 

... until I read the following comment.

 

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And @viking9, I prefer an all-mountain mid-80's width because we TYPICALLY don't get many true top-to-bottom firm groomer days here (ok, we never do.) In fact, we can hit conditions that run the gamut in one run here, and certainly in one day. When I hit that giant slush spot last season on my 80mm Viva's that caused my injury, I am convinced that I would have stayed out of trouble on a bit wider ski. Ironic that I was heading back to the car to get my Sambas as conditions were a lot softer that day than I had anticipated!

 

Best of luck with it.   :popcorn 

post #53 of 80
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I wonder if those who think that everybody who skis should be on narrow, front-side "rippers" are the same ones who think that everyone should ride a hard tail mountain bike? :dunno

 

I DID ski some mid-70's skis last winter several days and they felt SO slow edge-to-edge for me. I'm sure there are better skis out there than the ones I had (sold them) but still, they were not enjoyable for me. My PERSONAL experience which include my age and the conditions I encounter where I skied (I got 29 days in last season before injury) tells me I am very happy on a mid-80's ski. I really don't give a rat's patooty how much I am "ripping", I just want to have a fun time on a ski that helps me in the conditions I ski the most. For all I know, this winter will be so amazing with so much snow that I'll end up on the Sambas most of the time, and will buy a powder ski.

 

Add to that the fact that anymore, finding a non-race ski in a narrow waist that is also a NON beginner ski is pretty challenging.

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Add to that the fact that anymore, finding a non-race ski in a narrow waist that is also a NON beginner ski is pretty challenging.

 

They do exist, but you really don't want to go there.

 

 

Couple of good women's skis that flies under the radar and can be had for cheap.  

The Salomon Q-88 & Dynastar Cham 87W are both very competent yet forgiving skis. Both have enough performance to handle real NE hard pack and still easily handle powder, spring mush out west.    

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Let me just make it clear that I think mountain biking is alot like sledding,great for going down but you can have the going up part!

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Let me just make it clear that I think mountain biking is alot like sledding,great for going down but you can have the going up part!

Lift serviced.

post #57 of 80
I dunno, after reading this entire thread it sounds like the Motive 86 is just the ticket.
I really liked it a lot, if I hadn't gotten my Head Rev 85's I probably would be on the Motives. I think Philpug mentioned the Rev's as a consideration. Both the Motive and Rev are very versatile skis, hold a good edge on the firmest of conditions you will ever see at Snowbasin, great in bumps and variable terrain. I feel the Motive is maybe a bit damper and smoother of the two. Neither are particularly heavy, like when riding the Porcupine lift.
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I wonder if those who think that everybody who skis should be on narrow, front-side "rippers" are the same ones who think that everyone should ride a hard tail mountain bike? th_dunno-1%5B1%5D.gif

I DID ski some mid-70's skis last winter several days and they felt SO slow edge-to-edge for me. I'm sure there are better skis out there than the ones I had (sold them) but still, they were not enjoyable for me. My PERSONAL experience which include my age and the conditions I encounter where I skied (I got 29 days in last season before injury) tells me I am very happy on a mid-80's ski. I really don't give a rat's patooty how much I am "ripping", I just want to have a fun time on a ski that helps me in the conditions I ski the most. For all I know, this winter will be so amazing with so much snow that I'll end up on the Sambas most of the time, and will buy a powder ski.

Add to that the fact that anymore, finding a non-race ski in a narrow waist that is also a NON beginner ski is pretty challenging.

I have a hard time believing anyone would call a Head Supershape (which are non-race skis) a beginner ski or slow edge to edge. But anyhow, an 85 is a good general purpose no new snow compromise for out west.

( Yes, I like carving and race skis... No. No hard tail for MTB'ing. And yes, I ski everything from 68 to 118. smile.gif )
post #59 of 80
Waiting paid off... made your decision easier. No 167s left, it seems.
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Waiting paid off... made your decision easier. No 167s left, it seems.


I know, but they haven't been a part of their sales for several days now. I keep checking daily...

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