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post #61 of 78
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I think Elk has some pretty good terrain for beginners.  When I explore a small ski area for the first time, I spend some time in "tourist mode" and check out the beginner terrain.  Sometimes the best views of the entire mountain are from a beginner lift.

 

I know Elk has one of the best ski schools in the region.  There is a long time PSIA Examiner who is based at Elk.  He does a fair amount of PSIA clinics so the Elk instructors undoubtedly get very good training all season long.  I observed him training Level 3 instructors at Massanutten a couple years ago.  It was a 2-day DCL prep clinic.

 

Elk has 1-day Women's Clinics the non-holiday weekend in Jan, Feb, Mar.  Groups are split by ability.  All groups get a very experienced female instructor.  It's quite a good deal since it goes all day and includes lift ticket, lunch, and an apres ski drink for those who want to socialize a bit after the clinic is over in the afternoon.

Elk has a beginner area that is separate from the other trails, it is to your left as you ride the lifts from the base lodge.  Very slight grade.  Then a bit over to the right from those lifts there is an easy and wide run with it's own lift that gives people starting to get their ski legs a little more challenge.  The biggest challenge for beginners at Elk is going to the bathrooms, which are downstairs from the cafeteria.

post #62 of 78
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The flats at Blue are primarily the last bit down to the valley base lodge.  Otherwise IMO it's more consistent in pitch than CB.  Jack Frost has two trails that are easy blues other than a steep drop about 1/3 the way down.  It's a rock ledge so they could never recontour those trails.  Jack Frost empty?  Maybe mid-week, typical weekends are a zoo, but more in the base lodge than the slopes.

If their sitting in the lodge they don't clog the trails! If you stay away from the easy blues and the park at JF, the lift lines and trails for the harder terrain are almost nonexistent even on MLK and Pres Day.
post #63 of 78

Yeah, but it sucks having to eat lunch standing in the hallway between the rental shop and the cafeteria.  And then the dirty looks when you sit down at a table covered with other peoples bags, like you're tresspassing on "their" space...

post #64 of 78
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Elk has a beginner area that is separate from the other trails, it is to your left as you ride the lifts from the base lodge.  Very slight grade.  Then a bit over to the right from those lifts there is an easy and wide run with it's own lift that gives people starting to get their ski legs a little more challenge.  The biggest challenge for beginners at Elk is going to the bathrooms, which are downstairs from the cafeteria.

 

Every ski lodge I've ever been in has had this arrangement.  I have no idea why they put the bathrooms on a floor below (and sometimes above, but never on the level you enter).  There ought to be a law.

post #65 of 78
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Every ski lodge I've ever been in has had this arrangement.  I have no idea why they put the bathrooms on a floor below (and sometimes above, but never on the level you enter).  


Hmmm, trying to come up with exceptions to that rule.    Whitetail, Timberline (WV), Sutton, Solitude?, Alta?    

post #66 of 78
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Every ski lodge I've ever been in has had this arrangement.  I have no idea why they put the bathrooms on a floor below (and sometimes above, but never on the level you enter).  


Hmmm, trying to come up with exceptions to that rule.    Whitetail, Timberline (WV), Sutton, Solitude?, Alta?    


There are places where you don't have to do any stairs to get to a bathroom.  In addition to those mentioned, Roundup, Whiteface, and Wildcat come to mind.  And my home mountain, Massanutten.  But let's not go that far off topic in this Beginner Zone thread about where beginners in PA should considering going.

post #67 of 78
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Every ski lodge I've ever been in has had this arrangement.  I have no idea why they put the bathrooms on a floor below (and sometimes above, but never on the level you enter).  


Hmmm, trying to come up with exceptions to that rule.    Whitetail, Timberline (WV), Sutton, Solitude?, Alta?    


I should ski at those places.  Yep.  Gotta get airline tickets right away.

post #68 of 78
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Every ski lodge I've ever been in has had this arrangement.  I have no idea why they put the bathrooms on a floor below (and sometimes above, but never on the level you enter).  


Hmmm, trying to come up with exceptions to that rule.    Whitetail, Timberline (WV), Sutton, Solitude?, Alta?    


There are places where you don't have to do any stairs to get to a bathroom.  In addition to those mentioned, Roundup, Whiteface, and Wildcat come to mind.  And my home mountain, Massanutten.  But let's not go that far off topic in this Beginner Zone thread about where beginners in PA should considering going.


Not at Wildcat.  Bathrooms are either up or down, but not on the main level.  Skied there weekly for years.  It's good to hear that there are places that put bathroom on the main level.  

post #69 of 78
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post

 

Every ski lodge I've ever been in has had this arrangement.  I have no idea why they put the bathrooms on a floor below (and sometimes above, but never on the level you enter).  


Hmmm, trying to come up with exceptions to that rule.    Whitetail, Timberline (WV), Sutton, Solitude?, Alta?    


There are places where you don't have to do any stairs to get to a bathroom.  In addition to those mentioned, Roundup, Whiteface, and Wildcat come to mind.  And my home mountain, Massanutten.  But let's not go that far off topic in this Beginner Zone thread about where beginners in PA should considering going.


Not at Wildcat.  Bathrooms are either up or down, but not on the main level.  Skied there many times.


You can walk in the lower level where the bathrooms are . . . under the deck.  But let's please leave it at that.  Wildcat is not in PA.

post #70 of 78

OK!

post #71 of 78

Roundtop and Liberty are also lower level :) -

post #72 of 78
Hhmm... Blue, JF, and BB have the bathrooms on the main levels.
post #73 of 78
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Roundtop and Liberty are also lower level :) -


Haven't been to Liberty yet, but the set up for the lodge buildings at Roundtop and Whitetail are pretty nice.  Also nice to have free ski check, especially on busy weekends.  I can understand why so many people get Snowtime season passes since that means they can go to all three ski areas.  My impression is that the ski school programs for beginners are good in all three.

post #74 of 78

We went to Roundtop for the first time the season before last, Whitetail and Liberty for the first time last year. All have very nice lodges (IMO better than the Pocono areas with better food), and are nice areas.  And all have the bathrooms on the lower level although in the case of Roundtop there is an entrance at ground/slope level. The only negative thing I could say about Roundtop was the beginner slopes were above and away from the main lodge, which entailed quite a bit of climbing up stairs.  However, IIRC, they do have the rental and ski school at that upper level, and the slopes are isolated so it seems to be very quiet and relaxed for beginners.  At Liberty the rentals were only steps from the slopes in a separate building.  I wasn't paying attention at Whitetail... LOL

Whitetail probably had the nicest beginner/easy green slopes, long and wide, and the steeper stuff was on a separate "peak".

 

It's very likely we will plan a mid-week trip of at least a few days this year to Liberty and/or Whitetail, we were that impressed.  At Liberty someone we talked to was complaining how crowded it was, and indeed it was but the staff handled the crowds in the lift lines extremely well.  

post #75 of 78
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We went to Roundtop for the first time the season before last, Whitetail and Liberty for the first time last year. All have very nice lodges (IMO better than the Pocono areas with better food), and are nice areas.  And all have the bathrooms on the lower level although in the case of Roundtop there is an entrance at ground/slope level. The only negative thing I could say about Roundtop was the beginner slopes were above and away from the main lodge, which entailed quite a bit of climbing up stairs.  However, IIRC, they do have the rental and ski school at that upper level, and the slopes are isolated so it seems to be very quiet and relaxed for beginners.  At Liberty the rentals were only steps from the slopes in a separate building.  I wasn't paying attention at Whitetail... LOL

Whitetail probably had the nicest beginner/easy green slopes, long and wide, and the steeper stuff was on a separate "peak".

 

It's very likely we will plan a mid-week trip of at least a few days this year to Liberty and/or Whitetail, we were that impressed.  At Liberty someone we talked to was complaining how crowded it was, and indeed it was but the staff handled the crowds in the lift lines extremely well.  


The advantage to Roundtop on a weekend is that it's possible to get away from the crowd by staying on the far side on the lift that mostly serves black runs.  The beginner lift at Roundtop is very slow.  The lifties are great about helping kids and beginners.  I met up with friends on a Sat in late Feb last season.  Went over for a run in the beginner area to see what it was like.

 

My first time at Whitetail was in early Jan, just after the holidays, and it was frigid.  Meaning the high that day was in single digits. I had a voucher from a friend who works there so went any way.  I was impressed that there was a mountain host greeting people at the main stairs coming in from the parking area even though there probably weren't more than 20 cars when I arrived around 11.

 

The separation of the green, blue, and black terrain at Whitetail is really good for beginners and intermediates.  But not the best set up for a mixed ability group that wants to ski together that includes people happier on black terrain.

post #76 of 78
That's one nice feature about Blue Mtn, that beginners. intermediates, and advanced skiers can all ride together on the 6 pack and 4 pack lifts on the eastern side of the resort and ski green, blue, park, and black trails that meet up at the lift lines. These are the longest trails on the mountain as well, but do have the longest lift lines on the weekend. I'll say it again: Paradise is the nicest green beginner trail in the Poconos. Actually, they are adding a new trail on that side, but it hasn't been named or rated yet on the website.

Just stay away from the western side with Vista and Burma Road for beginners (@marznc we need a "shudder/shiver" emoticon!). Those trails are serviced by a lift that can be reached from the adjacent blue and black trails for folks skiing together, but the lift line is bad. The nearby lift for the blue/black trails with the shortest lift line on the mountain is uphill from the beginner lift and not easy to access for them, though some do make the attempt with often comical results. So folks can really only meet up top on that side of the mountain.
post #77 of 78
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That's one nice feature about Blue Mtn, that beginners. intermediates, and advanced skiers can all ride together on the 6 pack and 4 pack lifts on the eastern side of the resort and ski green, blue, park, and black trails that meet up at the lift lines. These are the longest trails on the mountain as well, but do have the longest lift lines on the weekend. I'll say it again: Paradise is the nicest green beginner trail in the Poconos. Actually, they are adding a new trail on that side, but it hasn't been named or rated yet on the website.

Just stay away from the western side with Vista and Burma Road for beginners (@marznc we need a "shudder/shiver" emoticon!). Those trails are serviced by a lift that can be reached from the adjacent blue and black trails for folks skiing together, but the lift line is bad. The nearby lift for the blue/black trails with the shortest lift line on the mountain is uphill from the beginner lift and not easy to access for them, though some do make the attempt with often comical results. So folks can really only meet up top on that side of the mountain.


I think one of the best reasons for beginners to take lessons early on is so that they can ski blues comfortably, whatever "blue" means in their region.  That way they have the option of more terrain that is off a lift than never-evers and beginners who only do greens.  On a weekend, that means more time on snow.  More time on snow means more practice.  More practice usually means getting good enough to be comfortable on a easy blacks more quickly.

 

I'll put in a plug for more emoticons.  Agree that the EpicSki list is pretty bland.  Might be a function of the software platform in use though.

post #78 of 78
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Roundtop and Liberty are also lower level :) -​

 

 

At Roundtop they even have 'outside entrances' so you never need to go in the lodge to go.  But please don't go in the trees.  Everybody lives downstream.

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