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Vail to officially announce PCMR/Canyons merger today

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From KSL Vail is:

 

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 Vail officials are planning to make the announcement at an afternoon presentation in Park City featuring Park City Mountain Resort chief operating officer Bill Rock.
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Basically it looks like the canyons logo with the name Park City.  Thats about it.

 

A bit under-whelming....

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The logo does indeed appear underwhelming.

 

The Park Record summarized the details: http://www.parkrecord.com/news/ci_28560820/simply-park-city . Canyons Resort is gone and is now known as “Canyons Village” (at PCMR). The trail map they hand out is going to be huge: http://www.parkcitymountain.com/~/media/park%20city/pdfs/1516_pc_trailmap_web.ashx

 

All PCMR needs is enough snow to make the connection usable.

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It's all very well being one name, one place but people are going to need to revert heavily to the old names when making it clear to tourists.  There are going to be people pretty pissed if they book a condo in Park City thinking they'll be in town and find themselves in Canyons base.  It's not like the difference between Vail village and Lionshead, it's more like Snowmass v Aspen.

 

My perception is that the layout will work in favour of diverting PC crowds over to Canyons rather than vice versa.  Maybe this is driven by my recollection that Silverlode seems to be the worst lift in PC for lines so an alternate option of diverting to Canyons might draw people in.  Course then there's the prospect of being utterly confused by the Canyons geography and failing to make it back to the interconnect on time increasing the popularity of bus and taxi back from Canyons. 


Edited by fatbob - 7/31/15 at 2:31am
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It's all very well being one name, one place but people are going to need to revert heavily to the old names when making it clear to tourists.  There are going to be people pretty pissed if they book a condo in Park City thinking they'll be in town and find themselves in Canyons base.  It's not like the difference between Vail village and Lionshead, it's more like Snowmass v Aspen.

 

My perception is that the layout will work in favour of diverting PC crowds over to Canyons rather than vice versa.  Maybe this is driven by my recollection that Silverlode seems to be the worst lift in PC for lines so an alternate option of diverting to Canyons might draw people in.  Course then there's the prospect of being utterly confused by the Canyons geography and failing to make it back to the interconnect on time increasing the popularity of bus and taxi back from Canyons. 


It may not be all that bad. Most of the condos and hotel rooms will be booked through one entity, so there should be little confusion (not the individual condo owners in Park City, but the on-mountain properties).  Almost all of the conventions are booked on the Canyons side, so that becomes easy. 

 

I imagine there will be a lot of people riding a shuttle bus from one side to the other rather than skiing it, or during times when it cannot be skied due to poor snow.. With or without the connection, locals and property owners will view this as two areas, but for marketing it is the "largest ski area in the USA."  Either way the tourists and locals get access to lot of terrain. For EPIC Pass holders, it is like getting two mountains for the price of one, similar to Vail and Beaver Creek (but larger). It may not snow as much as in the Cottonwoods, but the snowmaking is better (for when no snow exists), there is plenty of food, lodging, shopping, etc., and the terrain includes bowls, groomers, natural half pipes, the most terrain park mileage (as in miles and not thousands of feet) in the country, tree skiing, etc. When the lion shooting dentist or proctologist from east of the Continental Divide tells his kids they can have access to a few miles of terrain parks with one being over a mile long, the kids won't care what side they stay in.

 

Canyons had trail maps on the safety bars to help tourists, and I hope that continues now that it is PCMR...but on both sides. Color coding/symbols on the trail signs to help tourists would be very useful, but I doubt that is a priority.


Edited by quant2325 - 7/31/15 at 8:41am
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James Niehues was commissioned to do a new painting for a new combined trail map.  Presumably that's what will be put on the chairlifts that had a spot for the trail map.

 

Didn't Canyons change names before?

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James Niehues was commissioned to do a new painting for a new combined trail map.  Presumably that's what will be put on the chairlifts that had a spot for the trail map.

 

Didn't Canyons change names before?

Yes.

Park City West - ParkWest - Wolf Mountain - The Canyons - Canyons Resort

(source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canyons_Resort )

 

When Vail combined the two resorts I thought that they might change the name to Traverse City, but some people in Michigan might want to keep it to themselves. ;-)

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James Niehues was commissioned to do a new painting for a new combined trail map.  Presumably that's what will be put on the chairlifts that had a spot for the trail map.

 

Didn't Canyons change names before?

The map is already on the website, and I too hope they can squeeze it on the chairlifts (it is a lot of map and the print will be small).

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I ski and board both regularly.  When you sit and think about it and put the big number of $50mm aside, there isn't a whole lot more to offer. A single gondola to ride back and forth with some upgrades in facilities and snow making on the Canyons side.  No doubt all their work is an improvement, but if your on the PC side you have no access to the canyons side unless you get to the silverlode lift area to catch the gondola. Then you have to traverse across the canyons.  

 

I'm not sure, but I'm thinking Tombstone and Silverlode areas will get badly log jammed. By looking at the map, if your at the Canyons base and want to go to the PC side you have to take a long series of lifts...Red Pine then down to Timberline to Iron Mountain to the Quicksilver Gondola then lastly up Silverlode to the middle of PCMR. Thats without a lot of skiing time between the lifts.  Im thinking the bus would be quicker...still its better than nothing

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I ski and board both regularly.  When you sit and think about it and put the big number of $50mm aside, there isn't a whole lot more to offer. A single gondola to ride back and forth with some upgrades in facilities and snow making on the Canyons side.  No doubt all their work is an improvement, but if your on the PC side you have no access to the canyons side unless you get to the silverlode lift area to catch the gondola. Then you have to traverse across the canyons.  

 

I'm not sure, but I'm thinking Tombstone and Silverlode areas will get badly log jammed. By looking at the map, if your at the Canyons base and want to go to the PC side you have to take a long series of lifts...Red Pine then down to Timberline to Iron Mountain to the Quicksilver Gondola then lastly up Silverlode to the middle of PCMR. Thats without a lot of skiing time between the lifts.  Im thinking the bus would be quicker...still its better than nothing

I guess being bi (skiing and boarding), to paraphrase Woody Allen, doubles your chances for a date on a Friday night. Anyhow, I agree with you that most people will just take a shuttle bus staying at Canyons Village if they want to ski the other side. When the Park City side is busy, taking the new gondola to the Canyons side could make sense for the intermediates/advanced skiers since Dreamscape, Dreamcatcher, Iron Mountain, etc. almost never have a lift line more than two deep...and that is on weekends. The powder, assuming it snows this year, stays there longer with the fewer skiers. 9990 isn't that far away, but it would suck for a tourist to take the wrong run (e.g., Charlie Brown) and have "no way to get there from here."

 

I'll bet skier days are a lot higher due to the Vail marketing, and the days of no weekend lift lines on that side will soon be a thing of the past.

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I'm not sure, but I'm thinking Tombstone and Silverlode areas will get badly log jammed. By looking at the map, if your at the Canyons base and want to go to the PC side you have to take a long series of lifts...Red Pine then down to Timberline to Iron Mountain to the Quicksilver Gondola then lastly up Silverlode to the middle of PCMR. Thats without a lot of skiing time between the lifts.  Im thinking the bus would be quicker...still its better than nothing

 

 

Way better than nothing.

 

Just looking at the trail map, there aren't any runs shown on the Park City side so the Quicksilver gondola will be a download connection to Silverlode, no?  

 

[edit - it's described as an 'interconnect gondola', so I expect that's the case.]


Edited by sinbad7 - 8/3/15 at 9:56pm
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Way better than nothing.

 

Just looking at the trail map, there aren't any runs shown on the Park City side so the Quicksilver gondola will be a download connection to Silverlode, no?  

 

[edit - it's described as an 'interconnect gondola', so I expect that's the case.]


It will, but if it looks too busy at Silverlode you can ski down to King Con which is the end of the line. I think thats why they made it a 6 pack from a 4 seat chair this year.  And if you take King Con AND Gotcha Cutoff is closed you will end up at Silverlode again anyways....    If 8 people get off the gondola at Silverlode, keeping silverelode the same and adding 2 chairs to King Con probably will not handle the traffic.  It could get very crowded. They need to have a way to the base resort from the top of King Con besides Gotcha cutoff or open the downhill course runs off Eagle..(unlikely) Erikas gold and mens slalom is usually closed it seems. They probably will be Christmas when the heavy traffic arrives

 

We will see...

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And here are the marketing videos:

 

 

 

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The new gondala cars have been harvested and are ready to be pruned and installed.

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