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Very lively GS cheater ski HELP

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 

Hello all,

 

First some short background about me and my situation. I have been skating and playing hockey since I could walk and have picked up skiing 4 years ago. Growing up I had to pick one of the two expensive sports so this is why I have started skiing just 4 years ago. I have picked up skiing extremely fast and ski all double black runs I have come across (summit county mountains, aspen/snowmass, alta, and park city). On the groomers I love to go fast fast fast! Love being on edge and pushing my skis.

 

This coming season I am planning on getting into some racing when I can. I am looking for a certain type of ski, but do not know much at all about the ski makers as I have been fixated on the latest hockey sticks and skates my whole life.

 

I am looking for a GS cheater ski, around 19m radius, that I can race with and just simply rip on the groomers. I am looking for a very lively ski. So my question is which manufactures are known for making lively skis, specific models would be great as well. I love to work hard when I ski. I will probably end up getting a 2014 or 2013 pair as I am in college and trying to save a little money.

 

I am:

21 years old

6' 0"

175lb

 

Thanks for reading!

post #2 of 13
I've only been on the circa 2004 Fischer RC4 WC RC cheater. Love it still. Tons of energy. Snappy. I'm your height but 210#. I have the 180 which is fine because i throw them in the bumps too. But would get the 185 now.

I'm dying to get the Head iSpeed in 185.

It will probably come down to those two plus the Rossi hero master. people on this board like it a lot. I'm a Blizzard guy too so would be interested in the Blizz cheater. It's a little wider underfoot than the other cheaters, too.

Others here will comment on these and other brands as to where they stand on the lively vs. damp spectrum.

Fishers typically rate on the lively side.

In general, I like the call. I ski the east and think wide is a little overrated. Sure, busting crud is easier with wider and with rocker but nothing beats sitting in the pocket and tipping your ski on edge in a carve.

Have fun
post #3 of 13

I'll second the Fischer GS or GS cheaters.

post #4 of 13

The Fischer is definitely more lively in feel than the iSpeed.  Both are great skis but the Fischer is a better choice given the OP's preference for 'lively'.  I normally ski on Heads and Kastles but recently had a day on the RC4 WC RC (in 180cm) and loved it.

 

I haven't tried the Rossi Hero Master series, but they deserve to be in the mix as well.

 

Dynastar's Speed Course Pro might also be worth a look.  I recently managed a day on that ski as well, but in a very short 165cm.  They're certainly more lively than the Heads.  Reading some reviews it seems the later models are a little more damp, so I'm not 100% sure exactly where the latest version sits on the 'lively' scale.

 

Best of luck.

post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 

Awesome to hear, thanks for the replys!

 

That is very good to know about the heads vs the fischers as I have been looking at all manufacturers of GS skis on ebay. Sounds like I can cross those off my list. Also Fischer has been the only manufacturer I have come across that has their skis with different flex ratings. I have seen both them with a medium flex rating and a stiff. Any thoughts on what might be better for me? 

 

Also I have read on other threads that blizzard and nordica makes pretty lively GS skis anyone with thoughts on this?

 

Also am hoping to hear how the volkl raceitgers and atomic doubledeck rank on the "lively vs damp scale"

post #6 of 13
Cant go wrong on Atomics..... Precision as well as ... Well, faster edge to edge than can be described. Lively and competent. You need both

As much fun as you can have .....as long as you know how to drive!
post #7 of 13

the Fischers with the varying flex are the full on FIS sanctioned race versions.  pretty darn stiff and limited to doing one thing - GS racing in FIS events.  they have much longer turn radii than your desired 19m.  i would stick with the beer league/cheater version - the WC RC.

post #8 of 13
Thread Starter 

Well folks I couldnt pass up this deal up...

 

Was looking to make a more informed decision, but scored a pair of brand new 2014 RC4 Superior RC ski, 180cm, 18m radius with bindings for $400 from a family friend I called to ask about GS skis, otherwise he was going to put them on ebay.

 

Was hoping to get the RC4 World Cup RC instead of the Superior. Anyone ever hear anything about this ski?? Or if people that have been on it or other fischers think it will suit me well.

 

Thanks for all the replys so far! Hes gonna mail them to me tomorrow as he lives in Washington. Will post some pictures when I get em.

post #9 of 13

good score.  enjoy.  getting new skis is always fun. 

 

looks like the Superior has a touch of rocker and thinner titanal layers.  so might be little lighter weight and a bit more versatile in the bumps than the WC RC.

 

let us know how you like them!

post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by JonD999 View Post
 

good score.  enjoy.  getting new skis is always fun. 

 

looks like the Superior has a touch of rocker and thinner titanal layers.  so might be little lighter weight and a bit more versatile in the bumps than the WC RC.

 

let us know how you like them!


Yup, just what you need for big soft snow-covered bumps. :D

post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by bm4731 View Post
 

Well folks I couldnt pass up this deal up...

 

Was looking to make a more informed decision, but scored a pair of brand new 2014 RC4 Superior RC ski, 180cm, 18m radius with bindings for $400 from a family friend I called to ask about GS skis, otherwise he was going to put them on ebay.

 

Was hoping to get the RC4 World Cup RC instead of the Superior. Anyone ever hear anything about this ski?? Or if people that have been on it or other fischers think it will suit me well.

 

Thanks for all the replys so far! Hes gonna mail them to me tomorrow as he lives in Washington. Will post some pictures when I get em.


I had a set this past winter      ....Made about 20 runs on them and sold them...   The rocker holds up turn initiation on hard piste ....   Even went to a .5/3 tune and couldn't get joy..

 

  simple as that..      - Not what I found playful- if fact a fairly sedate ski

 

Competent race minded individuals will be held back a touch I'm afraid...

 

    I Ski ATOMIC 155 SL's as my "Daily Driver"   and I have been looking for a slightly more open radius that is fun snappy and competent  

 

   ... The only stuff that is of this combination of ideals seems to be ATOMIC  

 

   PS-  Really like the Head/Fischer bindings though...    Nice set-up there...     Sell 'em and don't look back    

 

        Oh, and I guess it cloud be a bump ski   ..... but you should ride Hart F-17's for that stuff!

 

   Here's another thought-   Flea Bay is a beautiful thing!   

 

You should do alright at your number-  That's about what I sold mine for-  and it was late season!

post #12 of 13

I spent quite a bit of time on the Superior RC (and the WC RC) over the last 2 seasons and I think you will find it to be exactly what you are looking for.  Both are excellent skis.

I'd agree the Superior is a bit lighter, more lively and imho more forgiving than the WC RC, which has more rebound. 

You did'nt really describe your technical ability, so it's hard to gage your skills/fitness and what "fast" is for you.

 

I found them to be easy to turn, lively, with very good edge grip.  It's a versatile ski, you'll likely be happy skiing them on Park City groomers, most of Alta, and in NASTAR type courses.

You will be rewarded with excellent performance if you work the ski correctly.

That said, they are not a "real" GS ski - too lively, too much sidecut and not enough damping for what *I* consider "fast skiing" on open terrain. 

post #13 of 13
I have 2 nearly new pair of Nordica Doberman GSR WC.
1. 191cm 21 meter with plates
2. 193cm 27 meter with plates

Killer skis in killer shape. Drilled for marker race bindings.
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