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post #91 of 122
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Originally Posted by billskis View Post
 

Check out their web cam.  It may be the only thing operating there.   Good Lord, I'd be up there in a heartbeat given that picture.

 

http://www.saddlebackmaine.com/webcam

 

Yes!

post #92 of 122
No deal tonight. Frustrations abound...
post #93 of 122
still just crickets?
post #94 of 122
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still just crickets?

 

Just more rumors.

 

http://www.sunjournal.com/news/franklin-maine/2015/12/12/mountain-rumors/1832710

 

I heard a rumor that the Berrys recently made a concession on their earlier hard line about not selling much extra real estate with the deal. Allegedly that concession has made the front-running buyer take a renewed interest. (They're not going to make money just selling lift tickets and hot dogs, is the supposition.) It's also alleged that this potential buyer has big plans for development a la Jay / Burke. I reiterate: all rumor. Still a mystery as to why all the mystery.

 

On the up side for the area, if they DO open, other areas won't have as big a head start on them as they might have had in a colder / snowier December.

post #95 of 122
still just crickets?
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Just more rumors.

On the up side for the area, if they DO open, other areas won't have as big a head start on them as they might have had in a colder / snowier December.

Yeah, was thinking the same. They'd have to get staffing nailed down, but they haven't lost a lot of ground on making snow.
post #96 of 122

At this point they've been lucky in that no one has much skiing. People are cancelling vacations for Christmas.

post #97 of 122

Saddleback expected to open late January with new owner.  see Facebook page.  Berry's and new owner confident they can get a deal done.  (new owner not yet named).

 

awesome!!

post #98 of 122

Very good news

post #99 of 122
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Saddleback expected to open late January with new owner.  see Facebook page.  Berry's and new owner confident they can get a deal done.  (new owner not yet named).

awesome!!

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153389194603510&id=43267888509
post #100 of 122


Also reported here:

http://www.firsttracksonline.com/2015/12/19/saddleback-owners-break-silence/
 

Saddleback Owners Break Silence

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“Our prospective new owner and the Berry Family feel confident that we will complete a transaction – opening by late January,” resort officials posted to Saddleback’s web page, without providing further detail. ...

post #101 of 122
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Do you suppose Saddleback's financial troubles stem mostly due to its beautiful, but remote location?  Hard to draw sufficient customers?  No big money-making real estate village at base?  It reminds me a little of Wildcat in that respect.  Excellent terrain, gorgeous scenery, pristine environment, yet both struggle to make ends meet by "only" offering a wonderful ski product?  :(

No, no, and maybe; here is my 2 cents.

 

I have skied Saddleback a long time - one of the best places I have skied, and the backside is crazy steep. (1) Lift capacity, unlike Sugarloaf, Le Massif, Mont St Anne, and Sunday River, Saddleback has that really really slow and small double chair that covers the most important part of the mountain when it comes to most skiers. Families have to break up on the double chair and they spend a lot of time sitting on the double chair instead of skiing. The lodge is fantastic, the bakery great, and bar/restaurant upstairs is excellent. The ski in/ski out all over the mountain is really good. The lack of village in my opinion stems from smaller crowds which goes back to the double chair that really is in the wrong part of the mountain.

post #102 of 122

I would say yes and yes.  Too far for far too many people.  

post #103 of 122
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Do you suppose Saddleback's financial troubles stem mostly due to its beautiful, but remote location?  Hard to draw sufficient customers?  No big money-making real estate village at base?  It reminds me a little of Wildcat in that respect.  Excellent terrain, gorgeous scenery, pristine environment, yet both struggle to make ends meet by "only" offering a wonderful ski product?  frown.gif
No, no, and maybe; here is my 2 cents.

I have skied Saddleback a long time - one of the best places I have skied, and the backside is crazy steep. (1) Lift capacity, unlike Sugarloaf, Le Massif, Mont St Anne, and Sunday River, Saddleback has that really really slow and small double chair that covers the most important part of the mountain when it comes to most skiers. Families have to break up on the double chair and they spend a lot of time sitting on the double chair instead of skiing. The lodge is fantastic, the bakery great, and bar/restaurant upstairs is excellent. The ski in/ski out all over the mountain is really good. The lack of village in my opinion stems from smaller crowds which goes back to the double chair that really is in the wrong part of the mountain.

Yeah, the Rangeley double is the Achilles heel. Agree. Especially since it doesn't even begin to gain altitude until tower nine. The base lodge should really be THERE, with all the beginner terrain below and the blue and black runs above.

Anyway, all they need is a simple modern wind-resistant fixed grip quad and they'd be good for a few years. IMHO if they had spent the money on same in 2007 they wouldn't be in quite the same pickle now. Think of all the bad first impressions they've made since then, on account of only that one thing, when everything else has been more or less acceptable, as you say.
post #104 of 122

Any new information about the status of Saddleback?  Rumors?  Things seen first-hand, or heard?

post #105 of 122
Very little activity. Winter buyer wasn't all that serious or close in the end is the rumor.
post #106 of 122

No new news, just reflections on the season that wasn't in an early June article.

 

Rangeley reflects on a winter without Saddleback

Everyone from business owners to workers to skiers from away felt the impact of the ski resort not opening this winter, which was made worse by a lack of snow that kept snowmobilers away.

http://www.centralmaine.com/2016/03/20/rangeley-reflects-on-a-winter-without-saddleback/

post #107 of 122
PM me if you have a serious interest in supporting this gem of a mountain financially.
post #108 of 122

There is now a survey that is seeking information about skier interest in making Saddleback a skier owned mountain, somewhat similar to Mad River Glen.  

The survey is open to anyone interested in buying shares.  

You can take the survey here:

 

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/6M5NXGN

post #109 of 122
$20 million?!
post #110 of 122

Sure. 6 million to buy and 14 million in endowment to keep it running.

 

Too bad the rural development grant fell down a few years back.

post #111 of 122
Would need 10,000 people buying $2,000 memberships (similar to MRG) to get to $20m. Good luck with that....
post #112 of 122
I have no idea how the $20 Mil breaks down, but it seems like a big number. The immediate need for $3-6Mil is a lot of money. I don't want to be a downer, but this is where the location, numbers, and demographics are going make this a big challenge. Most of the people that I know in Maine, with the capacity to seriously fund this, ski and own homes at Sugarloaf. Not all....most. Others at Sunday River. A lot of GREAT, loyal people ski Saddleback, for good reason. But I wonder about numbers, etc. This is a very different group of people, IMO, than the group who are rescuing Magic in VT.
I've lived in Maine, Boston, and Fairfield County, CT. Own ski homes in Maine and VT. I think I have some perspective on this.
I'm rooting for it to work out, but it's going to be tough sledding. Fingers crossed!
post #113 of 122
Saddleback is awesome. I love it. TON of potential. But I like it quiet, too... A modest upgrade and expansion while retaining what makes it unique (the raw wilderness feel) would be perfect.

Sale price has to reflect reality. Need $3 for for new lift and I assume random upkeep and maintenance. Sellers I hope will let it go for sub $5m including all of the land.. It's very unfortunate and I feel for them. They are good people and have done a lot for the region. But the best thing now for the mtn, the employees, and the town is to let it go. Do the best deal you can and help usher in a new caretaker....
Edited by JonD999 - 8/18/16 at 5:06am
post #114 of 122

There have been similar efforts in Maine: Black Mountain Maine, Squaw in Greenville.  Neither of these were looking to acquire ownership and both were on a much smaller scale.  

 

The odds here are very long.  At some point the assets outweigh the whole.  

 

 

I understand home owners and businesses are scrambling, but to put out a survey asking for contact information and the amount you would be willing to donate prior to doing the paperwork is not an auspicious start.  

 

http://www.newenglandskiindustry.com/viewstory.php?storyid=469

post #115 of 122

New owner group for Saddleback.  Hopefully, they get it reopened for this winter.  Power to the people!

http://www.pressherald.com/2016/10/27/foundation-of-skiers-businesses-reach-agreement-to-buy-troubled-saddleback-resort/comments/

post #116 of 122

They have a website now with plans and fundraising. 

http://skisaddlebackme.com/index.html

post #117 of 122

additional info. from the Saddleback facebook page:

 

Saddlebackers, many of you by now have seen the Saddleback Mountain Foundation's announcement of their initiative to raise monies for the purchase of the mountain. We wish them well with their efforts. We continue to work with the Saddleback Mountain Foundation, in addition to the other qualified buyers who are also in the process of pursuing the purchase of the resort. When the trail is clear we will update you.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/SaddlebackMaine/

post #118 of 122

Apparently the old girl is going to be up running next season and maybe even later this season

post #119 of 122
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Sent in my check Tuesday. (Before I knew about the impending dissolution of democracy.) Queue forms now for my free friends and family tix.
post #120 of 122

Gave a little.  Still think it is a big hill to climb.  Will be on board for volunteer maintenance work next summer and fall if this flies.

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