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post #31 of 48
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If you're going solo and care mostly about the skiing there is something to be said for building a list of possible places to travel and then making the choice a few weeks or a month out. This won't end up with the absolute cheapest trip, but could give you a better shot at great snow conditions. My short list would be (since I too don't care about night life)

 

- Big Sky / Moonlight Basin

- Aspen

- JHole / Grand Targhee

- Crested Butte 

- Steamboat

 

If you're coming Presidents day do everything you can to avoid Summit County CO -- even Loveland is packed that weekend. However there is merit to @skiNEwhere 's idea of a RMSP if you can sneak in more than one trip. 

 

"Packed" is relative though. I was there President's day and I think I waited two minutes in line once :rolleyes

post #32 of 48
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"Packed" is relative though. I was there President's day and I think I waited two minutes in line once :rolleyes

Yes. And that is why I almost ski exclusively at Loveland. On Pres day proper I made the mistake of going to WP after a friend convinced me. And here I was pissy about waiting 6 chairs to hop on 8 at Luv the day before. 

post #33 of 48

Steamboat will be ridiculously crowded over President's Day.

post #34 of 48
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Steamboat will be ridiculously crowded over President's Day.

 

Yes, I would expect it to be pretty busy. The southern Mountains (Telluride, Purg, Wolf) barely see a blip in visits over Pres because the lions share of destination traffic comes from TX- and there isn't enough time in a 3 day weekend to drive here...

post #35 of 48
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Originally Posted by jmeb View Post

If you're going solo and care mostly about the skiing there is something to be said for building a list of possible places to travel and then making the choice a few weeks or a month out. This won't end up with the absolute cheapest trip, but could give you a better shot at great snow conditions. My short list would be (since I too don't care about night life)

- Big Sky / Moonlight Basin
- Aspen
- JHole / Grand Targhee
- Crested Butte 
- Steamboat


If you're coming Presidents day do everything you can to avoid Summit County CO -- even Loveland is packed that weekend. However there is merit to @skiNEwhere
 's idea of a RMSP if you can sneak in more than one trip. 

If Grand Targhee is included with Jackson one has to include Bridger Bowl with Big Sky. Isn't there a shuttle from BS to Bridger?

For a first timer it's also important to note that it's Aspen/Aspen Highlands/Buttermilk/Snowmass on one ticket but it's highly unlikely one would ski more than one area per day but possible. You also don't need a car if staying in Aspen or Snowmass.

As mentioned President's week at Steamboat would not meet OP's uncrowded condition.
post #36 of 48
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I was going to mentioned Crested Butte as well. When are you booking this trip? I ask because CB has some killer terrain, but it can be fickle with snow as well, despite being only 20 miles from Aspen (which has more consistent snowfall) as the crow flies. Note that you can not drive directly from Aspen to Crested Butte, you have to drive ALL the way around which takes like 3.5 hours. 

So if you wait a little while to book, so that you can see how the snow pans out there, I'd try and hold off.

 

Note that if you buy the RMSP+, you get 3 days at CB, 6 at Steamboat, and unlimited at Coper, Winter Park and Eldora. It's $569 I think so it's a good deal if you'll be skiing a little bit more than just Pres Day's weekend.


Unfortunately, the RMSP+ has attracted huge crowds to CB over President's Day.  The longest I stood in lift lines last season was over President's Day weekend at Crested Butte.  At least half an hour and perhaps as much as 45 minutes.  Per ride.

 

Mike

post #37 of 48
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I was going to mentioned Crested Butte as well. When are you booking this trip? I ask because CB has some killer terrain, but it can be fickle with snow as well, despite being only 20 miles from Aspen (which has more consistent snowfall) as the crow flies. Note that you can not drive directly from Aspen to Crested Butte, you have to drive ALL the way around which takes like 3.5 hours. 

So if you wait a little while to book, so that you can see how the snow pans out there, I'd try and hold off.

 

Note that if you buy the RMSP+, you get 3 days at CB, 6 at Steamboat, and unlimited at Coper, Winter Park and Eldora. It's $569 I think so it's a good deal if you'll be skiing a little bit more than just Pres Day's weekend.


Unfortunately, the RMSP+ has attracted huge crowds to CB over President's Day.  The longest I stood in lift lines last season was over President's Day weekend at Crested Butte.  At least half an hour and perhaps as much as 45 minutes.  Per ride.

 

Mike

 

Wow. Good to know, I haven't skied there since they joined the RMSP.

 

So pretty much disregard everything I said 

post #38 of 48

A little off topic, but after the Aspen Gathering in early Feb., I will be skiing up to 5 days each at Winter Park, Copper, and Steamboat on a Maxx Pass. So which one of the 3 will likely be the least crowded on President's Weekend?

post #39 of 48
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Another good choice in the nightlife- ridiculous terrain camp would be Crested Butte. But CB takes the need for terrain coverage to a whole new level

“Whole new level” is a bit strong…reasonable snowfall will get front side (Banana, Peel, Forest), Teo, Headwall and North face out to Hawks Nest open. Plenty of terrain in there. Beyond that, you’re right. Spellbound, Phoenix  and 3rd never open last year (3rd has open in 1 of 4 past seasons). Of course, even if it’s a banner year, it goes from rocky to “somewhat rocky”

post #40 of 48
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How much of an effect do you guys think the el niño will have on snowfall up at JH and Big Sky and in Aspen
post #41 of 48
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How much of an effect do you guys think the el niño will have on snowfall up at JH and Big Sky and in Aspen

 

You can go here for some statistical info.

 

http://bestsnow.net/El_Nino.htm

 

On average, Jackson gets about 10% less snow in months with a heavy el-nino effect in place. Big Sky 3% less. From what I have heard, Big Sky is one of the least volatile ski areas in the west when it comes to snowfall.

 

Snowmass sees on average 15% less snow in months with heavy el nino effects. That stretched out over a season would take its average of 300" down to 255".

 

You can't use a crystal ball to see what is going to happen, but with every indication that this is a good el nino cycle, I would keep it in mind. I would use a blackjack analogy. If I have 14 and the dealer has a 6 face up, probabilities tell me my best move is to stand and hope the dealer busts out.

 

Hence my Taos recommendation, as it is one of the few destination resorts that does well in El Nino cycles with 15% extra snow in el nino effect months. If the current really wet el-nino style southern storm track remains in effect in 3 months, we could have a memorable one.

post #42 of 48

Taos is another special place. Excellent choice if there's snow. Though first timers will now only know it with a lift up Kachina Peak which is a little bizarre.

Do the ski week if you go to Taos. Especially if you go solo, because you'll end up with ski partners for the afternoon that are at your level. It also really makes you feel part of the place.

post #43 of 48
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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post
 

 

You can go here for some statistical info.

 

http://bestsnow.net/El_Nino.htm

 

On average, Jackson gets about 10% less snow in months with a heavy el-nino effect in place. Big Sky 3% less. From what I have heard, Big Sky is one of the least volatile ski areas in the west when it comes to snowfall.

 

Snowmass sees on average 15% less snow in months with heavy el nino effects. That stretched out over a season would take its average of 300" down to 255".

 

You can't use a crystal ball to see what is going to happen, but with every indication that this is a good el nino cycle, I would keep it in mind. I would use a blackjack analogy. If I have 14 and the dealer has a 6 face up, probabilities tell me my best move is to stand and hope the dealer busts out.

 

Hence my Taos recommendation, as it is one of the few destination resorts that does well in El Nino cycles with 15% extra snow in el nino effect months. If the current really wet el-nino style southern storm track remains in effect in 3 months, we could have a memorable one.


Note that while Snowmass has a mild effect of El Nino, Aspen Highlands and Aspen Mountain (4-5 miles away) do not.

 

Mike

post #44 of 48
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A little off topic, but after the Aspen Gathering in early Feb., I will be skiing up to 5 days each at Winter Park, Copper, and Steamboat on a Maxx Pass. So which one of the 3 will likely be the least crowded on President's Weekend?


Most likely Steamboat. I have not skied there but based on it being the furthest out from the I-70 corridor that would be where I would go. Copper will likely be the most crowded with Winter Park in between.

post #45 of 48
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Most likely Steamboat. I have not skied there but based on it being the furthest out from the I-70 corridor that would be where I would go. Copper will likely be the most crowded with Winter Park in between.

 

This would be my take as well. However, there are a lot of Denverites that roll up to the boat on the 3 day weekends to avoid the I-70 crowds, so it can get pretty busy, just not at the level of the major resorts in Summit/Vail. If I was trying to avoid crowds and was locked into those areas, I'd go for Steamboat.

 

Although if one wasn't locked in, the flipside could be a day at Sunlight (super local mountain), and some quality time at Telluride, CB and Silverton- all are about the same amount of distance away from Aspen as Steamboat is- and much less crowded than the boat will be on Pres. weekend.

post #46 of 48

 

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This would be my take as well. However, there are a lot of Denverites that roll up to the boat on the 3 day weekends to avoid the I-70 crowds, so it can get pretty busy, just not at the level of the major resorts in Summit/Vail. If I was trying to avoid crowds and was locked into those areas, I'd go for Steamboat.

 

Although if one wasn't locked in, the flipside could be a day at Sunlight (super local mountain), and some quality time at Telluride, CB and Silverton- all are about the same amount of distance away from Aspen as Steamboat is- and much less crowded than the boat will be on Pres. weekend.

 

Funnily enough Breck last year was the least crowded President's day I can remember. E had no line pretty much the whole day, except for an hour around lunch, T-bar was 5-10 mins (I know that's long for a lot of people but we are talking Breck Pres Weekend) and 6 chair was the only upper mountain chair with a particularly long line at 20 mins, though there was pretty much no line after lunch. I think it's actually starting to reach a little bit of balancing point.        

post #47 of 48
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Originally Posted by lonewolf210 View Post
 

 

Funnily enough Breck last year was the least crowded President's day I can remember. E had no line pretty much the whole day, except for an hour around lunch, T-bar was 5-10 mins (I know that's long for a lot of people but we are talking Breck Pres Weekend) and 6 chair was the only upper mountain chair with a particularly long line at 20 mins, though there was pretty much no line after lunch. I think it's actually starting to reach a little bit of balancing point.        


Bingo, and you forgot to mention about 10-16" inches of new snow depending on where on the mtn you skied:

Feb 16, 2015, somewhere below Peak 6 IIRC:

post #48 of 48

Thanks for the info guys. For me, I think that for President's Weekend I will just let a combination of snow conditions and weather forecasts and traveling times make a last minute decision for me.

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