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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

So I'm a relatively new skier.  I spent my first season skiing primarily at Kirkwood (with an awesome week in SLC - Alta/Snowbird/Snowbasin) on Rev Pro 85 170cm.  5'7 150lbs and can get down anything that's wide enough for me to turn on including the wall (double black), though it isn't always pretty.  I have a hard time on chutes and narrow gullies and don't get near cliffs.  I really enjoy bumps and spend a lot of time practicing in them.  Still suck in powder, but that's mainly because we got almost none of it to practice in last year.  I skied ~25 days last year and hope for more than that this year.


I loved the Rev Pro 85 on the icy conditions which prevailed last year and also in fresh snow up to 5" or so.  As soon as things got cruddy or heavy, I felt like I was really getting thrown around, however.  I also have Black Diamond Carbon Converts (180cm) that I used for the backcountry and on the two real powder days we had last year (the last days of my season).


So what I'd really like to find:


a wider ski which can be my daily driver when there's fresh snow (anything from a few inches to pow days).  I want something that will handle crud better, is reasonable in deepish powder, but still fun on the groomers and especially in bumps.  I realize that there's going to be a lot of duplication with my 85s and accept that.  


My plan would be for this to be my daily west coast driver with the 85s being relegated to icy days (which may be the majority like last year)/after everything is tracked out.  Is this a reasonable expectation, or should I just stick with my existing two skis*?  


Thanks for any advice!


* Note: I have a single pair of boots (which I love) with switchable soles.  Switching back and forth is a bit of a pain, however, so I really don't want to deal with having to do it on normal resort days.  This is why I'm looking for something else wide other than my converts, which will remain my backcountry skis.

post #2 of 17
Bonafide or Mantra. Few other skis exist in that category it seems
post #3 of 17

You're asking for a lot; a ski that's fun in bumps and fresh powder, but also handles crud and heavy wet snow, huh? Keep in mind that a beefier ski to crush crud and heavy wet snow will not excel in fresh powder or bumps; they'll be too stiff. I'd make a priority list. And FWIW, while the REV 85 is a great all-around - not many skis that handle as many things well - it's not an ice skate.


If you want a ski for firm days, personally (and that's what these forums are about, at the end of the day), I'd flip your quest: Keep the Rev's for bumps, light crud, a few inches of fresh snow, the Converts for real powder, and get a 75-80 mm true carver to handle ice, mank, heavy crud. If you like Heads, the Rally comes to mind. Kastle MX78's if you have the $, Elan Amphibio's or Blizzard X-Power 770 if you don't. A narrower carver will handle heavy crud differently than a wider ski, slicing it instead of riding up and then compressing it, but the experience can be smoother and more planted feeling. And in the typical mix of heavy crud over patches of ice and refrozen, nothing touches a carver. 


But moving back to your question and desires: At your size, not sure I agree with Bonafides or Mantras even for crud mashing. You might take a look at this past season's Fischer Ranger 106's, Kastle BMX98's, Line Supernatural 100's, Blizzard Kabookies. Good prices on all right now.


Last, here's an odd alternative. You might find that a few lessons would make your REV's handle crud better. Sometimes a bit more edge angle, and a better distribution of weight at the start of the turn will do wonders for making the ride more secure. My .02...                                                                                                                                                                       

post #4 of 17

If you ever get snow back in Tahoe I'd shoot for something fun in the 105-120 range as a true powder/softpack sierra ski.  Demos are probably the best idea but I'd chuck out some other brands to consider besides the usual suspects - Faction, Movement, Whitedot if you can hold of a demo

post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 

@dawgcatching - any thoughts on skis to demo since we're similar in size if not ability? BMX108 in 174cm?  Would that be too unwieldy for my skill level?

Edited by onnel - 7/16/15 at 9:15pm
post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the thoughts @beyond.  At my current skill level, I felt pretty good on last year's Tahoe ice on my 85s.  Though I confess to wondering how some skinny skis would have felt!  Maybe I'll demo some this year if conditions stay crappy.


I've been taking lots of lessons (probably ~12 days out of the 25 I skied last year) and plan to do the same this year.  I shared your notion that better technique would likely help my crud (and powder!) skiing as much or more than new skis.


So maybe I'll plan on going with what I have for one more year, keep taking lessons and demo some towards the end of the season with an eye to buying then.  Again, the only downside with this plan is me having to switch my boots to AT if I want to ski the converts for powder.  I can live with that! :-)

post #7 of 17
Put a 1/3 tune on your Rev's and the grip will be a whole new ball game. IMHO, the Rev 85 is perhaps the most versatile of the 80'something offerings on the market last season. If you're getting thrown around in crud, there are some other issues involving the Indian... The arrow is fine. smile.gif. You're a light guy. You might enjoy the new Atomic Vantage 100. Demo a Nordica Enforcer if you have a chance. IMHO, it's a palpably better across a range of conditions and skier sizes than the Manta or usual 100mm suspects. A little wider, take a look at the Nordica Nrgy 107... Heck, even the 100 might be your ticket. A cheap option that could work well for you would be to pick up a Rev 105 on close out. Very different ski design than the 85, and particularly a good option if you're a frequent turner... Lots of sidecut and a proportionally large shovel for float.
post #8 of 17

I will echo the Tahoe consensus that you should start with the bonafide and take it out for a demo. 

Maybe it's not for you, but  it's still the goto ski in tahoe; On every shuttle bus you take in tahoe, you can not only spot a bonafide, but pretty much see a lineup of every bonafide for every single model year.

You can find it pretty easily to demo.


Disagree with you should be fine with 85 and it's solely a skills issue.  At kirkwood, the majority of the terrain is always choppy except for a few specific groomers for short periods of time.  You will immediately have an easier time with 98width skis at kirkwood; that's why most kirkwood regulars are always skiing fat skis even if it hasn't snowed for a month.  


Every time I've taken my skinnier skis out at kirkwood i wish i'd taken out at least the bonafides.



I do not think the OP is light, he is "normal" for his height.  So as long as he sticks with his height=ski lengths such as 173 bonafide, the ski will work normally and bust the crud.  If he was a 6'2" tall beanstalk at 150lbs who likes to ski 187cm skis then it's a different story.

Edited by raytseng - 7/18/15 at 1:21am
post #9 of 17

At 5'7" 150lb, I agree with a lot of the above comments, he doesn't need much more than 105-107 underfoot. He also said his skills aren't all there...yet. I would also rule out the Bone and Mantra. I also see no reason to replace the Rev85 with some of the (significantly) stiffer skis that @beyond suggested but maybe a better tune such as @markojp said. Skis mentioned that i also agree with, the new stellar Enforcer, the Vantage 100, the NRGy100 and maybe 107. Those are as good of a selection as you can find anything else can just confuse the thought process. I will add ONE options that really impressed me... the new K2 Pinnacle 105, fun, playful and is pretty fun that that will not may you go back in once the powder gets tracked out. 

post #10 of 17

This is an incredible deal:




It is a woman's ski, but given that the OP is light, it might be a good choice.

post #11 of 17
post #12 of 17
Thread Starter 

Wow, those El Capos are a lot of ski for $125!  Is the 177 going to be too big for me?  That said, seems like they're worth trying at that price!

post #13 of 17
The el capos have metal in em
With your weight I don't know
I am 5-10 165
I got the vagabond without metal in 177

The stated 177 length is short too
They tape out at 179 or so
post #14 of 17

I ordered a pair of El Capos, at 185. They're now $114.12, and a free shipping coupon works. I keep on thinking that I should like something more "modern" than 2008 Katanas, and 2010 Legend Pros. But even at that price I'll probably regret it. My two attempts at being a cool indie ski guy were abject failures.

Edited by Homey D. Clown - 7/21/15 at 12:00am
post #15 of 17

Homey, I love my 185 Vagabonds, so if you don't like the El Capos, pm me and I will take them off your hands.

post #16 of 17

Thanks. I'll think positively. And the next time the need to be cool comes over me, I'll find some stickers.

post #17 of 17
Originally Posted by near nyquist View Post

The el capos have metal in em
With your weight I don't know
I am 5-10 165
I got the vagabond without metal in 177

The stated 177 length is short too
They tape out at 179 or so


I went 177 in El Capo's today hoping the are enough ski. Given they a) run long and b) are burly I expect they'll be plenty for me even though at 6'2" 165/170 I tend to like a longer ski. 


STP El Capos ($122 shipped) + Corbett Look Pivot 12s ($118 shipped) == new everyday setup for $240. 

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