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post #1 of 18
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Vail Resorts wants new Ski & Ride Instructors and is putting their money where there mouth is.  No, I don't think they plan to match the Aspen/Snowmass pay structure, but they have raised the resort wide minimum wage to $10/hr and are offering current employees Ca$h Money to refer certified friends to the various VR Ski & Ride Schools including Vail, Keystone, Breckenridge, Beaver Creek, Park City, Heavenly, Kirkwood & Northstar.

 

If you are a certified instructor who knows me and haven't worked at a VR resort the last two season and are thinking about instructing next season, shoot me a PM if you would like a "referral"  

 

 

 

Details of the program can be found at http://www.vailsnowpros.com/intructor-news/new-employee-referral-program/


Edited by MEfree30 - 7/30/15 at 6:24am
post #2 of 18

I'm sorry, but $10/hr for the instructor when the resort is charging the customer over $200/hr is still ripping off both the customers and the instructors.

post #3 of 18
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I'm sorry, but $10/hr for the instructor when the resort is charging the customer over $200/hr is still ripping off both the customers and the instructors.

 

Not quite as bad as you state, but close.  A full day private is around $800 (dynamic pricing applies), while group lessons are less.

 

Mike

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I'm sorry, but $10/hr for the instructor when the resort is charging the customer over $200/hr is still ripping off both the customers and the instructors.

yeah, that $1000 bounty would be a decent slice of many instructors seasonal income...

 

Best of  luck :)!

post #5 of 18

So, basically, they're trying to lure instructors away from WP, Copper, Steamboat, and Loveland?

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So, basically, they're trying to lure instructors away from WP, Copper, Steamboat, and Loveland?
They're not picky. From anywhere.

Mike
post #7 of 18

I've heard there's a shortage of instructors everywhere.

This may get interesting over time.

post #8 of 18
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I've heard there's a shortage of instructors everywhere.

This may get interesting over time.

 But that's a structural issue in the industry. Are the historic numbers of "hobby" part timers and "one season wonder" bums really declining?After all that's what's prevented people earning "professional" wages.

 

Strikes me that this is a specific move to counter the effects of a talent drain to Aspen and at least a slight concession to the high cost of living in Summit and Eagle.  I dunno - can imagine maybe Tahoe residents starting to migrate eastwards has an impact too.

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 But that's a structural issue in the industry. Are the historic numbers of "hobby" part timers and "one season wonder" bums really declining?After all that's what's prevented people earning "professional" wages.

Strikes me that this is a specific move to counter the effects of a talent drain to Aspen and at least a slight concession to the high cost of living in Summit and Eagle.  I dunno - can imagine maybe Tahoe residents starting to migrate eastwards has an impact too.

I also think that the failure to increase full time pay as the cost of living increased led to full time instructors leaving to pursue other occupations which pay more. Retired people and others who have full time jobs elsewhere can afford to teach part time because they do not depend upon the income.

I know lots of people who do not even teach part time because it is just not fun. Season passes are cheap enough that it is not a significant perk for some.
post #10 of 18
Like other businesses the resorts will continue to pay what's necessary to meet their customer needs. Certainly if the part-time pool gets shallow, the full time wage earner will benefit.
post #11 of 18
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Like other businesses the resorts will continue to pay what's necessary to meet their customer needs. Certainly if the part-time pool gets shallow, the full time wage earner will benefit.

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It's really night and day (literally) with remotely located LARGE resorts needing to up the antie quit a bit more to staff the ski school than little hills near urban areas.  I doubt that Vail Resorts is offering the same better entry level pay to folks at Afron Alps in Minneapolis that they are to folks in Colorado.

 

Small ski hills near urban areas have much larger pools of decent and often experienced instructors competing for fewer teaching positions.  Many just want better deals on family skiing and ski gear in exchange for working some evenings, weekends, and most holidays.  When I worked at the urban ski hill, we still had good hourly compensation, well above min wage.  But, only the ski school director made anything close to a livable full time salary.  In fact, he had a day job (semi retired) and also repped several lines of ski gear at the same time.

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It's really night and day (literally) with remotely located LARGE resorts needing to up the antie quit a bit more to staff the ski school than little hills near urban areas.  I doubt that Vail Resorts is offering the same better entry level pay to folks at Afron Alps in Minneapolis that they are to folks in Colorado.

 

Small ski hills near urban areas have much larger pools of decent and often experienced instructors competing for fewer teaching positions.  Many just want better deals on family skiing and ski gear in exchange for working some evenings, weekends, and most holidays.  When I worked at the urban ski hill, we still had good hourly compensation, well above min wage.  But, only the ski school director made anything close to a livable full time salary.  In fact, he had a day job (semi retired) and also repped several lines of ski gear at the same time.

 

The starting wage at Vail resorts for instructors has been around 9.50-9.80.  Not really a big deal raising it to 10.00.   As I have said before, the starting wage for instructors in 1982 at Breckenridge was over 10.00 an hour.  

 

I understand they are giving employees incentives to recruit instructors but they are not really paying the new instructors any more than they were. 

 

My good friend stopped teaching several years ago. She has 10 years of experience and is Level 3, RM. She was offered 16.00 an hour. 

post #13 of 18

$10 per hour ! That's generous.

post #14 of 18

Vail Resorts faces a couple of challenges in Colorado.  First, the pay is pretty low, second, housing is pretty expensive.  Hence the shortage of instructors.  There were evidently quite a few folk who accepted jobs last season but didn't show because they couldn't find (affordable) housing.

 

So, the bonus program to expand their recruiting efforts is on.  If anyone would like to be sponsored, I'll split the bonus with you.  Of course, I may not be returning to Breckenridge...

 

Mike

post #15 of 18

If I am reading the ad correctly, only the Mid-West resorts are excluded. This means Vail has a shortage throughout the country and/or expects higher demand this season. I wonder if this is an ongoing issue or a new one, and how much of this is specific to Park City Mountain (the new name for the combined resorts)?

post #16 of 18

Well I'd apply to work in the US as an instructor with my lvl 3 CSIA but few resorts will sponsor under an H2B needed by Canadian's.  I noticed a couple will sponsor H2B's for ski instructor's only not other positions, which makes sense due to the type of visa.  Maybe next year my status will be through and I can start working here instead of Canada, we'll see.


Edited by lady_Salina - 7/20/15 at 8:50am
post #17 of 18

 This post made me spit up my drink. They raised it to 10/hr....little tiny mountains were paying that 10 years ago. F### ### Vail you are evil. I just assumed the starting rate at a mountain like that would be higher and the fact that they are advertising this fact like it is something to be proud of is embarrassing. The fact that you posted this here to get "referrals" makes me sick to think some kid might take you up on it. Terrible place to work for a terrible company. 

 

I remember living in summit back in '97 and the Wendy's was offereing 12/hr employee housing and a season pass. Vail is going to have to do much better then that to attract employees. 

post #18 of 18
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If I am reading the ad correctly, only the Mid-West resorts are excluded. This means Vail has a shortage throughout the country and/or expects higher demand this season. I wonder if this is an ongoing issue or a new one, and how much of this is specific to Park City Mountain (the new name for the combined resorts)?


I don't think PC has any affect on it at all.  We've been looking for instructors for more than 2 years.

 

Mike

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