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"Riding the side cut" What's that mean?

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I have ski ranging in sidecut radius from about 70 to 13 m.

When I am carving arc-2-arc turns on any of them, I am able to carve radii of many sizes.  For example on my 13 m sidecut radius skis, if I want to carve a 6 m radius, all I have to do is crank them way up on edge.  Similarly the same technique at higher speeds allows me to carve 30 m radius turns on my 70 m side cut radius skis.

 

I have often come across "riding the side cut", and the context usually seems to indicate that the turn being made on the ski is equal to the side cut radius of the ski, which is impossible, since the ski would have to be flat to have the sidecut radius match the radius on the snow and we all know flat skis wont turn.

 

So like the title says,

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I think 'riding the sidecut' means just putting your skis on edge and let your speed, body weight, the hill and of course the ski determine the actual turn shape. No extra manipulation of the ski. 

 

On a blue slope, this is much easier than on steeper slopes, though.

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we all know flat skis wont turn.

 

 

 

 

You bored today? :)


Edited by markojp - 7/5/15 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by Cheizz View Post
 

I think 'riding the sidecut' means just putting your skis on edge and let your speed, body weight, the hill and of course the ski determine the actual turn shape. No extra manipulation of the ski. 

 

On a blue slope, this is much easier than on steeper slopes, though.


Yes, but in my experience, the more you tip the more you turn, and the expression "riding the sidecut" seems to apply (judging from the context) to imply a single radius is skied which depends only on the ski.

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In my experience the more you tip, the better the service you get if they remember you.

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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
 

we all know flat skis wont turn.

 

 

 

 

You bored today? :)


Seriously. A third the skiers on my mountain do Z's on flat skis, usually from way in the backseat, and another third turn on a really small edge angle, more of a controlled skid, that on a stiff ski (which most intermediates seem to prefer) pretty much defines "riding the sidecut."  Which beats the sideways clear-out-any-soft-snow plows that most boarders do as a way to change direction. 

 

Not so mysterious. In fact, I'd guess 80%+ of all skiers and boarders rarely if ever get enough of an edge angle, with enough F from speed and mass, to intentionally bend a nice mid-fat two-metal layer ski or typical board very much. :dunno Call it the blessing of modern engineering; the camber is minimized and pre-bent with rocker, everything is stiffened up to compensate, and who actually gives a d**n about carving anymore anyway. Just go surf TGR for a dose of modern snowsports...;) 

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For all the talk of trolls parachuting in from time to time, we have some awfully good resident ones. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
 

we all know flat skis wont turn.

 

 

 

 

You bored today? :)


A little bored, yes.  However the subject came up again in another thread, and I am really interested in what people here mean when they use that term.  I'm guessing they mean "park and ride", but I would rather assume nothing and expect the Spanish Inquisition.   

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Yes... Park and ride.
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...I would rather assume nothing and expect the Spanish Inquisition.   

 

But...but....... NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!! 

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Originally Posted by Cheizz View Post
 

I think 'riding the sidecut' means just putting your skis on edge and let your speed, body weight, the hill and of course the ski determine the actual turn shape. No extra manipulation of the ski. 

 

On a blue slope, this is much easier than on steeper slopes, though.

 

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In my experience the more you tip, the better the service you get if they remember you.

Touche folks - Cheizz, perfect, CGD, bigger the tip, less lip.. touche too

post #12 of 13

"Riding the sidecut" means the person saying it thinks they are a better skier than the person they are describing. 

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"Riding the sidecut" means the person saying it thinks they are a better skier than the person they are describing. 


Take a look at the Inside Ski Express hitting the wall in the 'Ski Instruction...' thread, lots of folks being told they 'ride the sidecut'! Insightful pithy observation

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