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post #31 of 52
Update on the Pinecone Gondola linking Canyons and PC:

liftblog.com/2015/07/14/park-citys-new-pinecone-gondola/

There will actually be some decent skiing added on the Canyons side. PC side not so much.
post #32 of 52

From the map of the new High Alpine terminus, it looks like it might be high enough to eliminate the short hike to Roberto's?

 

Mike

post #33 of 52
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Originally Posted by habacomike View Post
 

From the map of the new High Alpine terminus, it looks like it might be high enough to eliminate the short hike to Roberto's?

 

Mike

 

It might.  One of the "purpose and need" clauses says: 

    "improves access to Upper Green Cabin, and improves circulation for skiers moving between the Cirque area and the Hanging Valley Wall area."

 

I didn't pay much attention to the Elk Camp changes, but I just noticed this:

"The proposed Elk Camp Lower Bypass trail ...[would allow] advanced skiers to... return more directly to the Alpine Springs or Base Village areas."   (from the Hanging Valley Wall).

Also a good thing.

post #34 of 52

Looks like you could probably skate/traverse to Roberto's from the new terminus. Especially with a good tail wind, which is most of the time.

 

The Lower Bypass trail was needed.

post #35 of 52

It's nice to see they are finally replacing the very slow backside lift at Durango, oops, Purgatory:

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20150403/NEWS01/150409893/Purg-to-replace-Lift-8

post #36 of 52
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Originally Posted by NayBreak View Post

Loveland is messing around with Chair 2, but I can't find a link, so...

They are shortening chair 2. It will now end at the current mid load/unload.

They are removing the poma and installing a new chairlift up that alignment to service upper chair 2 terrain.

Seems like it is a lot of money to have to spend because people can't figure out mid-stations on a chairlift.
post #37 of 52
Speaking of midatations, and my recent post, I have not been able to figure out what Purgatory is doing with their new lift. The mid-load was there for all the people who didn't want to negotiate the steep bottom portion of the mountain. Including a mid-load on a HSQ would add a lot of cost.
post #38 of 52
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Speaking of midatations, and my recent post, I have not been able to figure out what Purgatory is doing with their new lift. The mid-load was there for all the people who didn't want to negotiate the steep bottom portion of the mountain. Including a mid-load on a HSQ would add a lot of cost.

I had that thought too. I was skiing there last season on a day where it hadn't snowed in six weeks with tons of thaw/freeze- and the lower pitch was defintely slide for life.

I suspect the mid load will be gone, as it would add a ton to the cost of the lift.

Also interesting to hear them say they intend to re-use the lift (per the brand new blog on their website). I keep hearing the primary reason this is happening is because the existing lift has serious mechanical concerns- of which the specifics I am not clear on.

I also don't know where they would stick a rebuilt lift, as to my knowledge they don't have additional acreage to expand into. Perhaps this will replace lift 5? Or perhaps they would string it diagonally to eliminate all or part of the traverse from 8?
post #39 of 52
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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post


They are shortening chair 2. It will now end at the current mid load/unload.

They are removing the poma and installing a new chairlift up that alignment to service upper chair 2 terrain.

Seems like it is a lot of money to have to spend because people can't figure out mid-stations on a chairlift.

 

Makes a lot of sense:

1) beginners are forced to get off before they end up at the top. This is a huge thing on 2 at Luv...patrollers spend way too much time bringing down not-hurt but now stranded beginners who are in over their head.

2) you can lap upper mountain (n. chutes, bennets bowl etc) without waiting forever forever at the mid-load for an empty chair

3) beginners can lap the lower mtn without venturing all the way up.

4) you can close the upper half when winds get too strong and still spin the lower/1/6 lifts. (Been there a few times 2 closed.)

 

Fact is mid-unload / re-load is complicated for newer skiers the majority of whom ride up Chair 2.  

 

Downsides are mostly money. All Luv's other slated projects are basically adding lifts/bars to areas that are currently hike-only. An eventual lift from current top of 8 to the Ridge will be a contentious game changer as that terrain is now a long hike / cat ride away. 

post #40 of 52
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Originally Posted by jmeb View Post
 

 

Makes a lot of sense:

1) beginners are forced to get off before they end up at the top. This is a huge thing on 2 at Luv...patrollers spend way too much time bringing down not-hurt but now stranded beginners who are in over their head.

2) you can lap upper mountain (n. chutes, bennets bowl etc) without waiting forever forever at the mid-load for an empty chair

3) beginners can lap the lower mtn without venturing all the way up.

4) you can close the upper half when winds get too strong and still spin the lower/1/6 lifts. (Been there a few times 2 closed.)

 

Fact is mid-unload / re-load is complicated for newer skiers the majority of whom ride up Chair 2.  

 

Downsides are mostly money. All Luv's other slated projects are basically adding lifts/bars to areas that are currently hike-only. An eventual lift from current top of 8 to the Ridge will be a contentious game changer as that terrain is now a long hike / cat ride away. 

 

1. I understand it happens, but in many cases it seems less about the difficulty of chair 2 terrain and more about the long length going top to bottom fatiguing people out.

 

2. Never really seen too many problems with #2. Loveland will hold chairs open at the bottom on busy days.

 

3. They could do that already as Loveland added an unload a few years ago.

 

4. This is legit.

post #41 of 52
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1. I understand it happens, but in many cases it seems less about the difficulty of chair 2 terrain and more about the long length going top to bottom fatiguing people out.

 

2. Never really seen too many problems with #2. Loveland will hold chairs open at the bottom on busy days.

 

3. They could do that already as Loveland added an unload a few years ago.

 

4. This is legit.

 

1. True enough -- it still sucks to waste patroller energy on that. 

2. Sometimes, a split chair I think will be more efficient.

3. They could do it, but fact is many who ought to don't. Having to get on a second chair will deter many newer skiers who otherwise continue the ride.

4. -

5. I forgot this one: the current setup has 4 points of person-failure (bottom, mid-unload, mid-reload, top) which slow/stop the lift for everyone on the already very long ride. If someone screws up / slows down on the new setup 1/2 the amount of people will be delayed. 

 

But yeah...I wish people didn't just screw up on 2 which is why I almost never ride it except to get to the warming hut up top. 

post #42 of 52

Cat skiing at Bohemia 150 bucks a day on Voodoo Mountain the bluffs of LAke Superior.  In 014 it skied 23 days straight of lake effect 350 for the year.  Cold north keeps the snow 99 dollar season passes for inbound non groomed terrain.

post #43 of 52

Big day in Jackson Hole today.  Teton lift towers went up and the first snow of the season fell.

 

http://liftblog.com/2015/07/27/fly-day-in-teton-village/

post #44 of 52
Arizona Snowbowl announced a 775ft vertical Humphries lift to serve the west side of the bowl to open in December. They trumpet that it serves the "popular" new trails they've cut the last few seasons. Unfortunately, these new trails are south facing and freeze/thaw poorly.

They throw a carrot out that the main Agassiz lift will be replaced next year which is desperately needed from a capacity standpoint. What caught my eye is that they say the new Aggasiz lift will service 90% of the current terrain. I'm not sure if this is referring to relocating the current lift or the twin lift concept to counter wind holds on Agassiz.

Anyone have any knowledge?

http://www.arizonasnowbowl.com/tenmillion
post #45 of 52
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Originally Posted by Dryheat View Post

They throw a carrot out that the main Agassiz lift will be replaced next year which is desperately needed from a capacity standpoint. What caught my eye is that they say the new Aggasiz lift will service 90% of the current terrain. I'm not sure if this is referring to relocating the current lift or the twin lift concept to counter wind holds on Agassiz.
 

An article from about 9 months ago said:  "Along with expanded snowmaking, Coleman has plans to install a new high-speed lift between the Sunset and Agassiz lifts, create a snowplay area and improve base area facilities. Price said they’re looking at adding another lift that would provide more access to runs on the north side of the resort, closest to Humphreys Peak."

 

So I'm not sure they are actually replacing Agassiz. For those who haven't had the pleasure, Arizona boasts two of the slowest and longest lifts around ... Agassiz at Snowbowl and Cyclone at Sunrise. They are like the Galaxy lift at Heavenly, you might want to bring a book to read.

post #46 of 52
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Originally Posted by Dryheat View Post

They throw a carrot out that the main Agassiz lift will be replaced next year which is desperately needed from a capacity standpoint. What caught my eye is that they say the new Aggasiz lift will service 90% of the current terrain. I'm not sure if this is referring to relocating the current lift or the twin lift concept to counter wind holds on Agassiz.

Anyone have any knowledge?

http://www.arizonasnowbowl.com/tenmillion

 

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Originally Posted by 50kVert View Post
 

An article from about 9 months ago said:  "Along with expanded snowmaking, Coleman has plans to install a new high-speed lift between the Sunset and Agassiz lifts, create a snowplay area and improve base area facilities. Price said they’re looking at adding another lift that would provide more access to runs on the north side of the resort, closest to Humphreys Peak."

 

That 90% figure definitely made me wonder, too. I think the new "Grand Canyon Express" must be running from the bottom of Sunset to a bit above the current midway unload station on Agassiz: what the Final Environmental Impact Statement identified as the proposed Sunset lift replacement. It still seems like it takes some creative math to call that 90% of the current Agassiz terrain.
 
It's also worth noting that the FEIS called for moving the current Sunset triple over to be the new Humphreys lift... but now it sounds like they're installing a quad instead--and presumably leaving the Sunset lift alone for now. It seems like it would be nice to leave Sunset there permanently and run it when there are crowds--combining that with two new quads serving intermediate terrain should mean that those who want to ski blues will avoid Agassiz completely, which should really help alleviate lift lines. 
post #47 of 52

Nothing in Canada I'm guessing? The most recent addition was to Red mountain and Whistler; aside from that I'm pretty sure it'll have been close to 4-5 years since Whitewater expanded if I'm not mistaken... so many master plans that have been on hold such as Revy and Big White.

post #48 of 52

West mountain in glens falls new york is putting in a triple chair to replace a 51 year old double chair and cutting a new trail from the summit.

post #49 of 52
Vail: Avanti Express Quad upgrade to high speed six person

Snowmass: Assay Hill Quad upgrade to high speed quad

Squaw Valley: Siberia Express Quad upgrade to high speed six person

Park City: New Quicksilver Interconnect 8 Person Gondola / King Con Express Quad upgrade to high speed six person / Motherlode Triple upgrade to high speed quad

Jackson Hole: New Teton Express Quad

Purgatory/Durango: Legends Triple upgrade to high speed quad

Okemo: Jackson Gore Express Quad upgrade to Quantum Four high speed quad bubble lift / Sunshine Quad

Solitude: Summit Double realignment and upgrade to high speed quad

Sugarbush: Valley House Double upgrade to fixed grip quad

49 Degrees North: Klondike Double upgrade to high speed quad

Sugarloaf: Several brake improvements to 5 different lifts including King Pine, Timberline, Skidway, West Mountain, and Snubber

Powderhorn: Take Four Quad upgrade to high speed quad

Lusten Mountains: 4 Person Gondola upgrade to Moose Mountain 8 person gondola

The Hermitage Club: Barnstormer Triple upgrade to high speed six person bubble lift

Sipapu: New Sipapu Quad

Pomerelle: Pomerelle C Double upgrade to fixed grip triple

Jackson/Snowking: Rafferty Triple upgrade to fixed grip quad

Sugar Mountain: New Sugar Mountain High Speed Six Person

West Mountain: Summit Double upgrade to fixed grip triple
post #50 of 52

Something really minor but I'm excited about is that Snowshoe, WV is opening some some glades in Western Territory that go from Upper Shays to Upper cup. Called sunset glades, here is youtube vid:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQGtK08zyvU

Nothing really useful in the video, just a bunch of people cutting down trees but It shows what it'll look like in the trail map at the end.

post #51 of 52
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Originally Posted by 50kVert View Post
 

An article from about 9 months ago said:  "Along with expanded snowmaking, Coleman has plans to install a new high-speed lift between the Sunset and Agassiz lifts, create a snowplay area and improve base area facilities. Price said they’re looking at adding another lift that would provide more access to runs on the north side of the resort, closest to Humphreys Peak."

 

So I'm not sure they are actually replacing Agassiz. For those who haven't had the pleasure, Arizona boasts two of the slowest and longest lifts around ... Agassiz at Snowbowl and Cyclone at Sunrise. They are like the Galaxy lift at Heavenly, you might want to bring a book to read.

Current rumors suggest that there are talks about the Grand Canyon Express chair being a possible 6-pack detach and installed next season. It's very probable that they would go with a quad instead if it would be too much traffic on the current ski runs. This is why the Ridge side runs have been widened dramatically this past summer. I talked with some ski patrollers and they said the changes are very noticeable. Another interesting rumor is that instead of leaving the current Agassiz chair it may be removed and a new chair installed with a loading station near the top of Turkey Gully (that's just across/below Bowl side and Casino) with an unloading station where the current Ag one is. This is only a rumor but it suggests that all options are being reviewed and I'm stoked about that. It would be sweet to not have to hit the long flat runout down bowl side every run to then sit on a long and slow chair ride. 

 

I guess Chapman has a zero dead and down policy as well. He is fired up on getting most of the ski area thinned out and skiable. That would be an amazing improvement for Snowbowl! It would be killer to have everything ski safely and flowy. Chapman went up this past season by himself with a chainsaw and cleaned up that little glade below the Ag chair between Tiger and Casino, a line that had been "cleared" several times over the past few years but never seemed complete or done well. The line is now an official run marked on this years trail map. I'm really excited about having Chapman involved, it seems like he is a real skier, see's the potential for Snowbowl and is ready to make things happen. 

 

NAU News on the new lift. 

 

post #52 of 52
http://www.skiresort.info/ski-lifts/new-ski-lifts/north-america/united-states/

Interesting site, it stikes me that a lot of money invested in ski lfts in Europe and NA. With MTN trading where it is - skiing business is not that bad after all.
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