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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 

Hi, any thoughts on purchasing i.Speeds?

 

I usualy spend most of my day skiing on groomed slopes (including GS racing) but my last few runs are often moguls so I'd like a pair of skis that doesn't make skiing moguls impossible (otherwise I'd go for Worldcup i.GS but I fear it might then be tough to do anything else than GS?) I like heavier skis, any idea whether I.speeds will do the trick?

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 15
I have the same question. Really interested in this ski at 185cm. I'm 6 2 and 210#

Was on a 180cm Fischer RC4 RC (17m radius) from 2004 until I switched to Blizzard magnum 8.5 in 2012.

The modest (although not that modest) tip and tail rocker on the magnum help in the bumps but I miss the stability at speed and power/energy of the RC4 for cruising. So much that I ran a couple days on the RC4 last year and will probably split time this year between the 2

But the i.speeds look sweet!!! Don't need but want!

I can definitely run bumps on the RC4s. I just get thrown around a bit and have to really use my knees to absorb the blows. The stiff tail isn't as much of a challenge as the non rocker stiff tip

What do people think of the I.speed tip flex and shape?
post #3 of 15

Haven't skied on one for about three years, but might have a pair for next season. As I remember, it's a lovely ski. More of a tech ski than a full on race ride as I recall. I think this coming season two versions will be offered... same ski but different plates. The standard Head GS plate will make a big difference. Also curious about the Rebels iRace  in next year's catalogue.

post #4 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the info! Any idea on how will the i.race compares to the i.speed? Also I'm not quite sure I understand Markojp's distinction between a tech ski and a full race ride ski?! Does it just mean the i.speed is more versatile?
post #5 of 15
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Originally Posted by TomV View Post

Thanks for all the info! Any idea on how will the i.race compares to the i.speed? Also I'm not quite sure I understand Markojp's distinction between a tech ski and a full race ride ski?! Does it just mean the i.speed is more versatile?

 

There's a pretty big difference between a regular GS ski and a cheater. Yes, for free skiing, cheaters are generally more versatile. Length selection can be big as well. I've skied the 182 and have a pair of 186 of the Blizzard WRC (the 182 had the Nordica top sheet, but same ski... anyhow, the slightly shorter ski was softer, a bit tighter turn radius, and a quicker feeling ski. The 186 is much more GS'ey feeling and a bit of a handful in bumps. Both use the Marker Piston plate. I also really like the Rossi Hero Master... For my size, the 180 (182?) at 21m radius is a great versatile tech ski, maybe a bit too short to race, but again it depends on what kind of racing. Shorter generally works well for beer league, nastar, and general free skiing. I'll have to take the i.speed's out again...  I'm talking about the cheater GS, not the Supershape iSpeed just to clarify. 

post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hi, well I'm 5.7, 140lbs, so I'm thinking anything above 175cm might be pushing it.

Actually, I guess the way I should have phrased things is that I'd like to go as GS'ey as possible. I'd get the i.GS but my only reservation is that I'm afraid it might be tough to ski anything else (even though I wouldn't go beyond 175s), is this true? As I mentioned, i like heavier skis.

I spend most my day on groomed slopes (including racing) but towards the end of the day I will often go for bumps as snow quality deteriorates and slopes get crowded... So I was wondering how hard it would be to do this with I.GS Heads.

In any event, thanks for bearing with me, this is really useful.
post #7 of 15
35m skis aren't the best bump skis. smile.gif I'd point you go toward a cheater GS ski unless your racing USSA masters. A 180 will feel a bit long and racy for you at the expense of some versatility, but if you're a strong skier, they could work as the iSpeeds are softer than the iGS. if you do look at the iGS, ski the womens radius. By all accounts they're pretty dandy. Sounds like you're on the right track foing a bit shorter though. Just remember to properly prep and tune whatever ski you get. Most need some work. Sometimes significant amounts. My WRC's were not flat out of the wrapper. When I say 'tech' ski, I mean something with a 15-18m radius that will be precise on piste, etc... something you might choose if you were doing a regional PSIA or CSIA demo team or tech team tryout.

@ScotsSkier... Thoughts?
Edited by markojp - 6/25/15 at 6:37am
post #8 of 15
Would definitely choose the I.speed over the I.GS. Not even a question. Will take you as fast as you legally and safely need. And are much more versatile.

The I.race shades a little more SL It looks like. Not sure if that's avail in the USA.

Would still go for the I.speed
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

35m skis aren't the best bump skis. smile.gif I'd point you go toward a cheater GS ski unless your racing USSA masters. A 180 will feel a bit long and racy for you at the expense of some versatility, but if you're a strong skier, they could work as the iSpeeds are softer than the iGS. if you do look at the iGS, ski the womens radius. By all accounts they're pretty dandy. Sounds like you're on the right track foing a bit shorter though. Just remember to properly prep and tune whatever ski you get. Most need some work. Sometimes significant amounts. My WRC's were not flat out of the wrapper. When I say 'tech' ski, I mean something with a 15-18m radius that will be precise on piste, etc... something you might choose if you were doing a regional PSIA or CSIA demo team or tech team tryout.

@ScotsSkier... Thoughts?


Good advice here marko  For what the OP is looking for the iSpeed should be more versatile.  However, I would be a bit more leery about going for the 175 rather than the 180. My view is that buying a GSish ski in less than 180 is counterproductive as you just end up skidding it around.  If you really want it more for moguls then I would be looking for a different ski but if you want to take advantage of the GS feel, I would go for the 180.  But again, just IMHO.  

post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by TomV View Post
 

Hi, any thoughts on purchasing i.Speeds?

 

I usualy spend most of my day skiing on groomed slopes (including GS racing) but my last few runs are often moguls so I'd like a pair of skis that doesn't make skiing moguls impossible (otherwise I'd go for Worldcup i.GS but I fear it might then be tough to do anything else than GS?) I like heavier skis, any idea whether I.speeds will do the trick?

 

Thanks!

There isn't a ski that makes skiing moguls impossible, but if you like skiing moguls, you probably should avoid the FIS WC GS versions.  Maybe also consider Kästle RX12.

post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post


Good advice here marko  For what the OP is looking for the iSpeed should be more versatile.  However, I would be a bit more leery about going for the 175 rather than the 180. My view is that buying a GSish ski in less than 180 is counterproductive as you just end up skidding it around.  If you really want it more for moguls then I would be looking for a different ski but if you want to take advantage of the GS feel, I would go for the 180.  But again, just IMHO.  

Yeah... At the OP's size and weight, a Head Rally would be a nice non-race option... I still think that the Rossi Hero Master might be the king of the cheaters for free skiing. smile.gif
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post
 


Good advice here marko  For what the OP is looking for the iSpeed should be more versatile.  However, I would be a bit more leery about going for the 175 rather than the 180. My view is that buying a GSish ski in less than 180 is counterproductive as you just end up skidding it around.  If you really want it more for moguls then I would be looking for a different ski but if you want to take advantage of the GS feel, I would go for the 180.  But again, just IMHO.  

 

 

I have a pair of 180cm i.Speeds, which I actually bought through my friend ScotsSkier.  My race days are long behind me, so I wasn't looking for a ski to race as a Master. I was looking for a cheater to use as one of my hard snow skis, on my home hill in the NE, Sugarloaf. Big, long open cruisers. Faces due North, not a lot of sun, a lot of moisture in the snow surface, and often rock hard. Groomed every night. All of that changes in mid-March, BTW, as the sun is higher in the sky, and is out more often. At any rate, the ski's really perfect for my hard snow free skiing there. I also have a pair of 178cm Cross Pro's, new last season. They ski very similarly. I think the Head's a bit more on the damp side. I know it's heavier, and I just like how it skis. I think that the CP might actually be a touch more versatile, but we're talking degrees of separation. I have also skied the i.speed in a 175cm, and to me it feels like an entirely different ski. I could ski it, but didn't like it. I'm about 200 lbs. My brother is about 150 lbs. On the rare occasion that he's back East in the winter, he's skied both of those skis, and wouldn't want them shorter. I really like them both. 

 

I think you need to adopt the thinking that any good skier can "make" these cheaters work in some bumps. They are very far from being an ideal tool for the job. Better than either a mens or womens FIS GS ski, sure, but no mogul ski. Depending on where you ski, the firmness of those bumps, and the shape with which they are formed, I think you'll be able to ski them with effort….and there's a small risk of bending one. These cheaters have a lot of metal in their layup. 

 

If I'm skiing with people who are going to be fired up for bumps {which thankfully for me is rare}, I'm pulling a different pair of skis. If it's a fresh snow day, and a soft snow day, and it might lead me into the woods, or to a place where I might find a bump, I'm normally on a 187cm Bonafide. We spent a week visiting kids in CO in late february, juts as they were getting some new snow, and I spent most of my days on another pair that I keep out there. That ski was very skiable in everything: frontside groomers, fresh 6-10" of snow, skied out, ratty and bumpy steeps {soft snow}, trees. The works. But….it was a compromise in every situation. That ski is my Swiss army knife, and probably does 80-85% of the job as well as a purpose built ski would. Never the best choice, always a pretty good one. 

 

I would have preferred my Firearrow EDT's on those softish groomers, my 185cm Cochise in the skied out "stuff", my 196cm Bodacious in the wide open virgin stuff. 

 

Back East, a cheater works for me. I don't need to ski them as fast as some people seem to say they do, but I can rip on them. I can make all sorts of turn shapes on them, but they are best when on edge, being pressured on the tip, and skiing pretty fast. In the world of compromise, I guess I'd say that you'll be able to ski through moguls for a few runs, but no matter how fit you are, you'll feel a bit beat up. And you're probably not going to feel great about your bump skiing. Flip side is that there are hundreds of people on here who could come up with tremendous bump skis, and you'd be hard pressed to make a consistent 17-18M carved GS-like turn, with the feedback of a GS-type ski. Even a one trick pony like a Brahma just doesn't feel the same if you want to rip a cruiser with GS type turns. Damp, yes. Nice ride, but it's much slower through transition, the tip engages only when it's up on edge and way out from under you. It's am 88mm ski with rocker. But it will smoke any cheater in bumps. It pivots, stivots, etc. I'm assume the narrower Latigo will even more. But no chance in any race course….real or not. 

 

Sounds like you'd be best with the cheater for most of your skiing, and then just do your best with the bumps. I can't think of a ski that will do both. Almost all of true skis in this Cheater category are really good skis, and I think you'll like whatever one you end up with. I've skied the Fischer versions over the years, and my brother has the newer Atomic {which he raves about}. I've skied the Nordica, and it was very nice. I bought the Head cold turkey, having a fair amount of real Head race experience in the family, after talking with SS, and it's been exactly what I hoped it would be. I did the same with the Cross Pro's. Cold turkey on a friend's recommendation. They've been great. The EDT is a fun ride, but I think that it's essentially a wide cheater…. As mentioned the Hero Master gets really great reviews among good skiers. At your size you're not going to overpower any of them, and none of these are so burly that they won't work, IMO. I know that others think the Head is the beefiest, but in my sample of one, my 68 year old 150 lb brother {who was a National team level skier, and skis 100 days a season}, they seem to work. He has never mentioned that it's too much ski. BTW, you'd never in a zillion years think he's a day over 40 watching him ski. I just know him, know his skiing, and we're brutally frank with each other. 

 

Good luck. I think you'll be real happy when you're not in the bumps, and happy enough when you're there, on a GS cheater. Also echo the comments to NOT go too short. And don't over think it too much. They're all good skis. 

post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by Muleski View Post
 

 

 

I have a pair of 180cm i.Speeds, which I actually bought through my friend ScotsSkier.  My race days are long behind me, so I wasn't looking for a ski to race as a Master. I was looking for a cheater to use as one of my hard snow skis, on my home hill in the NE, Sugarloaf. Big, long open cruisers. Faces due North, not a lot of sun, a lot of moisture in the snow surface, and often rock hard. Groomed every night. All of that changes in mid-March, BTW, as the sun is higher in the sky, and is out more often. At any rate, the ski's really perfect for my hard snow free skiing there. I also have a pair of 178cm Cross Pro's, new last season. They ski very similarly. I think the Head's a bit more on the damp side. I know it's heavier, and I just like how it skis. I think that the CP might actually be a touch more versatile, but we're talking degrees of separation. I have also skied the i.speed in a 175cm, and to me it feels like an entirely different ski. I could ski it, but didn't like it. I'm about 200 lbs. My brother is about 150 lbs. On the rare occasion that he's back East in the winter, he's skied both of those skis, and wouldn't want them shorter. I really like them both. 

 

I think you need to adopt the thinking that any good skier can "make" these cheaters work in some bumps. They are very far from being an ideal tool for the job. Better than either a mens or womens FIS GS ski, sure, but no mogul ski. Depending on where you ski, the firmness of those bumps, and the shape with which they are formed, I think you'll be able to ski them with effort….and there's a small risk of bending one. These cheaters have a lot of metal in their layup. 

 

If I'm skiing with people who are going to be fired up for bumps {which thankfully for me is rare}, I'm pulling a different pair of skis. If it's a fresh snow day, and a soft snow day, and it might lead me into the woods, or to a place where I might find a bump, I'm normally on a 187cm Bonafide. We spent a week visiting kids in CO in late february, juts as they were getting some new snow, and I spent most of my days on another pair that I keep out there. That ski was very skiable in everything: frontside groomers, fresh 6-10" of snow, skied out, ratty and bumpy steeps {soft snow}, trees. The works. But….it was a compromise in every situation. That ski is my Swiss army knife, and probably does 80-85% of the job as well as a purpose built ski would. Never the best choice, always a pretty good one. 

 

I would have preferred my Firearrow EDT's on those softish groomers, my 185cm Cochise in the skied out "stuff", my 196cm Bodacious in the wide open virgin stuff. 

 

Back East, a cheater works for me. I don't need to ski them as fast as some people seem to say they do, but I can rip on them. I can make all sorts of turn shapes on them, but they are best when on edge, being pressured on the tip, and skiing pretty fast. In the world of compromise, I guess I'd say that you'll be able to ski through moguls for a few runs, but no matter how fit you are, you'll feel a bit beat up. And you're probably not going to feel great about your bump skiing. Flip side is that there are hundreds of people on here who could come up with tremendous bump skis, and you'd be hard pressed to make a consistent 17-18M carved GS-like turn, with the feedback of a GS-type ski. Even a one trick pony like a Brahma just doesn't feel the same if you want to rip a cruiser with GS type turns. Damp, yes. Nice ride, but it's much slower through transition, the tip engages only when it's up on edge and way out from under you. It's am 88mm ski with rocker. But it will smoke any cheater in bumps. It pivots, stivots, etc. I'm assume the narrower Latigo will even more. But no chance in any race course….real or not. 

 

Sounds like you'd be best with the cheater for most of your skiing, and then just do your best with the bumps. I can't think of a ski that will do both. Almost all of true skis in this Cheater category are really good skis, and I think you'll like whatever one you end up with. I've skied the Fischer versions over the years, and my brother has the newer Atomic {which he raves about}. I've skied the Nordica, and it was very nice. I bought the Head cold turkey, having a fair amount of real Head race experience in the family, after talking with SS, and it's been exactly what I hoped it would be. I did the same with the Cross Pro's. Cold turkey on a friend's recommendation. They've been great. The EDT is a fun ride, but I think that it's essentially a wide cheater…. As mentioned the Hero Master gets really great reviews among good skiers. At your size you're not going to overpower any of them, and none of these are so burly that they won't work, IMO. I know that others think the Head is the beefiest, but in my sample of one, my 68 year old 150 lb brother {who was a National team level skier, and skis 100 days a season}, they seem to work. He has never mentioned that it's too much ski. BTW, you'd never in a zillion years think he's a day over 40 watching him ski. I just know him, know his skiing, and we're brutally frank with each other. 

 

Good luck. I think you'll be real happy when you're not in the bumps, and happy enough when you're there, on a GS cheater. Also echo the comments to NOT go too short. And don't over think it too much. They're all good skis. 

 

Good info here MS.  Great point on Head skis having a reputation as "beefy".  In my experience this is far from the case.  Too many people still think old school in assuming that if a GS type ski is going to have good grip and performance it needs to be super stiff.  This is most certainly NOT the case with the current generation, you get the performance without it being like a 2 x 4!

post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 

Dear all, thanks a lot for the insight and for taking the time to answer.  I now have a much better idea of where it is I am heading.  It sounds like the i.Speeds are the best bet.  I'll let you know what I go for!

 

Tom

post #15 of 15

Thanks for taking the time to thank us! Have fun with whatever you choose. 

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