Originally Posted by bounceswoosh
So, as it happens, my mom is German, and I'm sure that had a lot to do with why my parents were fine with the idea of me drinking at home. And in turn, why I didn't ever want to. To be honest, I had seen my parents sloppy drunk a number of times, and it held zero appeal for me. I still haven't ever gotten drunk enough to throw up or to have a major hangover the next day. And why @crgildart
's son's friend may actually avoid abusing pot ... because seeing your parents out of control is unpleasant, even if they're happily stumbling drunk.
Wow, I've really made my parents look terrible in this thread. Believe me, they are great, fun people!
However, it's disingenuous to suggest (if you are doing so) that Germans don't get drunk. Maybe your wife's microclimate. I never saw anybody as sloppy drunk as when I visited my grandparents in East Germany a couple of years after the wall came down. I went to a club (hah, I was 14) and saw any number of mid-20s people who were just a mess, and one who had terrible scars from driving dangerously on the windy mountain roads there. The possible explanation: they grew up in a Communist state, knowing that they would be assigned a job and never having to plan for the future. So then suddenly, the wall came down, and they had FREEDOM! They could do anything they wanted to do! Except of course that they had never been prepared for it and had no idea how to go about getting a job, planning for the future, etc. Capitalism tore those kids apart. I wonder how they're doing today. Then again, it's disingenuous for me to compare those 20somethings to your wife, who presumably grew up in West Germany.
Well, it is also disingenuous for me to suggest that teens in 1980's southern Germany bear much resemblance to the German youth of today
. And yes, adults are the worst...we display what we expect our kids to avoid.
So you get me there, although, it is a good illustration. Most of what keeps adolescent childhood under control is parents at home, and the loss of parents at home to dual income models, with their subsequent guilt-gifting of completely inappropriate things like $250/mo drug budget allowances is, in my opinion and experience, the primary problem, at least for the economically advantaged.
The working poor have never had the option, and those kids have to commit crimes to get the allowance.