Originally Posted by Rich666
BTS, when you, Razie, other believers here and "the other teaching system" speak of leading with inside tipping, how are you using the word "lead"? Is it simply in terms of first in sequence? Is it that it clears the path for the outside leg? Or does it lead because the inside leg will pull the outside leg along do to limits of range motion between the two legs?
All of the above?
Well first of all, I do not represent that other system, I don't agree with absolutely everything coming out of it. I have studied it closely and have found a lot of good material there. We are not allowed to discuss that system on this forum and discuss all the of the nuances of it, if you want to shoot me PM's I will tell you what i know, or think I know about it in a more open fashion, but I do not really represent them and if you really want to know more about it you should go visit their forum or buy their materials to learn from it.
We are talking here about inside ski tipping, not that other system. Inside foot tipping, is a wide open topic with numerous variations and we are free to discuss that on this forum.
Now I can tell you my own opinions about inside ski tipping, some of which may match up with that other system, in fact quite a lot matches up with it, but I can not guarantee that everything I think or say matches up with that system as I am not certified by them, I've never been to their clinics and aside from studying a lot of stuff from them and from many other sources and skiing a whole lot and talking about skiing a whole lot, I am quite sure that most likely there are things I might say which do not match that other system in some of the nuances of whatever it is they do.
I think there are traps laid here by Kook and other trolls to box certain ideas into extremes. Someone says "this" and the trolls say, "or so you're saying it always means that", and the meaning has then been lost. Classic logical fallacies. A lot of the arguments being presented on this thread are driven by hatred to that other system as a whole. I do not wish to defend that system. I do wish to defend particular movements which I consider good movements, regardless of whether they are included in that system or not. Coincidentally, many of them are.
So what does leading with the inside ski tipping mean to me? short answer is, awareness that the inside leg needs to actively tipped much more then the outside leg. The outside leg will end up tipped all on its own due to the CoM moving across. The inside leg, on the other hand has to be physically cranked in there or else it simply won't keep up with the tipping. When skiers focus on tipping the outside leg, bad things happen. When they focus on tipping the inside leg, good things happen. So the word "leading" can mean a variety of things, but in a very generic way simply putting more awareness there and actively cranking that leg, as JF's video eluded to, is a good start.
There are more nuances. What happens if someone tries to tip their outside ski first? Quite often it can lead to a variety of unintended negative consequences. So the idea of tipping the inside ski being not only the primary focus, but also the first tipping focus, is not a bad one. Its a great one in fact. I would say that tipping and flexing the inside foot and leg does clear the way for the hip to move across. I would say that tipping the inside foot does pull on the kinetic chain and create subtle movements of the hip across, without having to push on the outside leg to get it. I would say that putting the focus on inside ski tipping front and center as the primary focus and first focus, helps to create parallel shins and avoids unintended negative consequences that can come from too much focus on tipping onto the BTE of the outside ski with a dead inside leg. These are all valid points that all lead inevitably to one conclusion that tipping the inside ski, flexing the inside leg, cranking the inside knee inside, etc.. basically tipping the inside ski...focusing on that more then tipping the outside ski....are all good. The outside ski will in fact tip all its own...whether its from turn forces or from inside leg activation or some combination of both.
Focus on the outside leg should be about balancing on it and stacking on it.
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