Originally Posted by The Engineer
Rock on Razie! Brilliant! Keep it coming.
As a race coach, let me explain to you a few things that you are mis-interpreting in some of the videos posted. Ted's specifically.
I will not be arguing any of this until you present some credentials as experienced race coaches, not just some guys behind a keyboard, somewhere.
Ted says a few times that he is pushing hard until the apex and then he almost steps on to the new ski.
His leg is long throughout the turn. It does not get longer. He simply resists the forces of the turn and until you experience a GS turn on ice at that speed, you'll have no appreciation for the forces he's pushing hard against.
This is not what is referred generally to as "pushing to release" or "hop". He does two things to release: angulate strongly at the end of the turn, to hinge and impulse the body down and flexes the outside leg (stops "pushing" or "resisting"). These are techniques from high level racing. Some applicable to noobs as well.
Coaches are taught, for good reason, to prefer external cues. Knees are more external than ankles, because you can see them, and many coaches use the knees as a proxy for movement. I do too, but I also always mention the ankles - personal preference.
"Knees into the hill", "Knees to skis". Actual movements performed are "inversion/eversion" and "ankle flexion".
Also, coaches tend to relay what they see and that's "knees".
Make no mistake about this and you had it spelled out by a World Cup coach that dared post here (GG):
All I was saying that just the move by inside leg alone is not the center of the modern technique. Rolling of the edges is often done with the knees, which is wrong in principle.
Note that same focus on knees, which is "wrong in principle". The racers at these levels, when coming from good schools, will have all the right basic movements nailed down, you don't talk to them like you do a first grader. You talk a different language, different cues, at a different level of movement and internal cues.
As to using the inside ski, the same Wold Cup race coach told you the exact same things I have been telling you since the beginning of this thread:
In any case we teach the use of the inside ski as a part of developing the movement pattern as whole. As I said, I do not agree with using the movemnt of inside ski as the main focuse in developing modern technique. Yet it is one of the important components which should not be ignored.
You have not just been contradicting, continuously, a few race coaches and racers here, but also the World Cup coach, who's opinion you so eagerly yearn for.
Interestingly you were trying to contradict a couple race coaches, including World Cup level race coaches, using racers as examples.
If you still think Ted was not taught to use the inside ski at all or that he is not using it, or that edging does not involve the ankles and feet, keep on thinking it. I am not trying to convince you otherwise.
Sorry, TE and captain Cook, but you were the ones taking it from all sides and persisting, but that kind of persistence does not get my appreciation.