This drill is TOO SMALL!!!!
Now, this is something we could spend 63 pages discussing:
Now, tell me, do you think you did wrong by asking the question that you asked?
Was I a fool to have treated that as a sincere question and given a response?
When you asked for "how" along with what, was I again a fool to have thought that it was ok to again respond with tangible drills?
I missed this post. Just caught it rereading. My questions are and will always be sincere on this forum. I was looking for opinions. YM
oh now here come the conspiracy theories. agenda? please...
well I am certainly not trying to perpetuate any feuds between Rick, you-know-who or anyone else, I am talking about inside ski tipping and some people here keep mentioning that system so I am responding to things in order keep the facts straight, nothing else. I guess you can read whatever you want into that, but I find no malice whatsoever in mentioning the system, which I actually generally try as hard as I possibly can to avoid doing. Its only when you and others drag me into it that I am forced to respond JASP. I believe you or Kook were actually the first person to try to bring "the system" into this discussion by labeling it as dogma. I actually try very very hard to discuss these movements in a generic way because they are useful things to discuss. Its totally silly that we should avoid those discussions on this site just because a few of you are afraid of the big bad wolf.
And by the way, I'm not disagreeing with you that others have identified this important movement, way before you-know-who did. I haven't read Vetromile, but thanks for the reference I will check it out. But I know Witherall was onto this already. Nonetheless, you will not find any other materials anywhere that covers this particular movement pattern to the degree that "the system" has. Or maybe you will! I don't know. If you find some good material about it, please share as I would love to hear about it. Does that mean you agree its an important ski movement to discuss?
But you are way off base accusing me of having the kind of agenda you are now claiming.
I did not say anything was wrong with saying "you're wrong". It was the part about asking to prove a negative I was pointing out as badgering the witness. That said, we have reached the point in the thread where telling people they are wrong or making the same point over and over again is doing no one any good. If you just focus on your point, those of us following at home get it that the "other person"/"other side" is wrong.
I certainly may be wrong about all this. I'm only trying to keep the civility level above the bare minimum. I'm running out of non-draconian tactics. One thing I was definitely wrong about was not to mention that my quote of your post was only one example out of many from other posters.
I'll leave you all with an interesting concept to consider. Who ever gets the last word in this thread could be:
a) the one who is "right" and wins the argument,
b) the person who is wrong and caused the thread to be locked,
c) someone who just got randomly lucky before I pulled the plug.
In other words the last word has no special meaning so there's no need to try to get it.
well the so called "witness" you are referring to might also be called the badgering person Rusty...if someone is going to get in your face over and over making baseless accusations and claims about skiing, without explanation, without proof, and repeat over and over that we are wrong.....I think we have a right to ask them to prove it. that was not badgering you are quite wrong to call it such. What is badgering is what Kook has been doing for several months now. Yet you chose me to call out on the mat about it. Tsk tsk.
And by the way, as far as I'm concerned, why should this thread ever be closed or locked? There is no last word, and never will be. This issue will always just come back on one thread or another. It still needs to be discussed and still will be discussed and there is no way around it.
because he is wrong. and so are you.
No, the thread's not good until a few more cool kids talk about beating up a few more of the best coaches the US has ever enjoyed. That captures the essence of what this thread has been.
For anyone new to the party, Razie expressed a desire to kick the backside of Vonn's junior coach[es] due to the poor job they so obviously did. It speaks for itself. And BTS, Zentune etc. didn't say one word when Razie said that.
I've been quite clear, probably 20 times now, that the drill in question is a minor but useful drill. I'm not trying to be redundant now, I am simply responding because you seem to have missed my earlier posts, though you've still had time to flame me in numerous posts.
What the drill in question is not, is a fundamental skill. Moreover, the prosylites of the drill aren't even articulating usage in a way consistent with where they got their "church schooling." Because of that, combined with the disconnect between their advocacy and what is actually done in real skiing in a number of contexts, and even what is possible or safe in real skiing in a number of contexts such as steeps without deep stable snow, the drill is best regarded in the way it's viewed by real-world coaches and racers, as one of many drills and particularly good for helping beginners along to intermediate status. I like a number of garland variations, myself.
By the way, I just threw down the $20 for that Lorenz/Reilly/JF video. I wish it didn't cost $20 so that we can post it here and show the segment where Paul basically describes inside tipping, inside foot pullback, bringing the inside foot in closer to the outside ski and counter balancing...not in so many words...but everything we've been talking about in this thread....
And it wasn't a drill.
carry on Kook...I am also sincerely interested to hear your prescribed methods and movements.