Originally Posted by Atomicman
Razie...this is from the article you posted. I talked about the phases of the turn hundreds of posts ago!
This was originally about initiation/engagement.......not what happens in the last 1/3 of the damn turn!
Razie you are now so far off the reservation..........it has become absurd!
And YM if anything the pendulum has swung back towards what it has always been.......outside ski dominant!
Originally Posted by CTKook
Gurshman's stuff stands up well. There are a few different reasons for not leading with the inside, and a few different ways that the inside ski is by contrast used actively. One example is when the outside becomes tipped too far, intentionally or not, for the rest of the turn, and the skier moves onto the inside to finish the turn shape. If the inside is tipped further than the outside, or even the same as the outside, this doesn't work.
I could discuss other uses with a few posters here such as A-man or JASP, but for most it would take to long to give a baseline for them to understand the specifics. I'd wholeheartedly recommend race camp or other means of learning, rather than destructive speculation.
Just to clarify the article you are both quoting (but not perhaps reading to the end). I did not bring this article in here, Kook - you started mentioning "modern use of the inside ski" and Google resolves it to this.
Mr. GG, a World Cup level coach, repeats his endorsement of the evil drills (I am assuming anything revolving around entering the turn with the inside ski lifted and tipping/edging is evil?):
I am convinced that drills involving entering the turn while lifting the inside ski are the base from which one can progress to acquiring the technique of using the inside ski. While perfecting these skills one should pay attention to a proper lift of the inside ski as well as to a correct placing of the ski on the snow and edging it.
Not some simple drill, but the foundation to build on. Note that later clarifies correct placing as tips even or even an extreme pulling back when the inside is behind the outside.
And if you read the pressure diagram at the end, he uses the super-evil drill which is how good racers ski (remember Ted: start with all on outside, inside lifted and release and transfer early, when still on the uphill edges). Also GG mentions the evil Javelin, without naming them, because they had no names for a long time.
It is really annoying for me to see anyone playing down fundamentals of great skiing, implying that the evil lord somehow owns simple racing drills and simple common good technique just because he uses it part of his progressions.
@TheRusty is correct. I can lift and tip the inside and keep my outside ski flat. Or I can lift and tip and let the outside follow. Or I can lift and tip and get it out of the way of the already impulsed hips. Or tip it to keep it away from the body. Or not lift it and do a white pass... or hop or whatever I need to do in that one turn ahead of me.
Edited by razie - 8/1/15 at 7:14am