Read the rest of it. See if I misquoted anything else. And hopefully, you'll get the point that there's no substance there. It's just "he said", or in this case "you said". I'm responding to the claims of no logic or evidence. 1. Physical evidence that tipping will have no effect in the air, because it doesn't change the counter weight, doesn't push off anything. Turn must be initiated by the outside ski. 2. Ted says, inside ski basically just tracks, which means tipping with the body, tipping as the outside ski tips. 3. Gurshman says "While the outside ski plays the leading role in the initial phase of the turn, the action of the inside ski is crucial in carving the final part of an arc.". 4. Instructor in Zenny's video says, ski on one ski to fix A-frame, not actively tip inside ski. 5. Many turns with the inside ski less tipped than the outside ski. We're not going to reach consensus. My favorite is the straw man straw man argument. If it's a straw man argument, the argument would die, because the straw man wouldn't argue back.
Do you understand that I quoted USSA race coaching course material ? Why don't you write to them to explain why their athletes can't ski... because in your personal engineer's opinion the ankle can't do stuff ?
Just so we're clear, here:
TE - that was great insight - you and @Atomicman debated heavily against regular coaching dogma many posts ago, but I will indulge you as you seem to actually care and try to think through some of this.
Your insight was that the weighted old outside ski is in fact initiating the new turn by releasing the old one. The new outside ski is not weighted during initiation - you begin to weight it, but it is not weighted in what you consider "beginning of the turn". Everything was already set in motion by the release.
Here's what USSA has to say about the "release" in the GS technique and tactics part of the level 300 course - this is normal race coaching dogma:
Actual quotes from the course:
"at the most basic, the edge release happens in the skier's ankle and moves up the kinetic chain
"the ankle movement is a small movement and often included with a movement of the knee
"even though the movement starts in the ankle, it's range of movement is slight. After the ankle, the knee followed by the hip and the upper body, move in the direction of the new turn.
"this subtalar joint movement works best when combined with dorsiflexion (this is your tipping with pullback and tail lift):
the second release method is upper body driven and
"has the appearance of an old school A-frame"
Note that it is not an A-frame, just looks like it and it is a valid tactical choice. You do have to know what you're looking at... to tell it apart.
"independence of edging can be a sign that edging skills are highly developed.
This is specific to GS and speed and not commonly used in SL which is where all rec skiers belong. Thus out of the realm of this discussion.
this is where you're wrong. a tiny invisible rotation of the old outside ankle which continues to tip and it becomes the new inside ankle is responsible for the entire turn.
and yes, there is active tipping required - the legs tip independent from the body.
Here's why - don't let yourself be confused by the Kook's insistence on GS for the reasons I mentioned above - normal people ski like this and that inside leg does not get there by not being tipped actively:
His inside foot continued strongly tipping since it released the previous turn and only stopped because the knee hit the snow. Think through this.
The Kook has an agenda. He's not doing anyone a public service. That's why he's not posting photos of normal skiers or SL and sticks with World Cup speed athletes. If you want to ski everything at no less than 60 mph, please do whatever he says... which is actually nothing, as he gives no technical details... just "he said", "she said"
Again - there are speed skiers and speed skiers and turns and turns. Here's Bode.
If you want to ski at 60 mph, anywhere, please DO NOT do as he says! I get enough guff for my enjoyment of high speed skiing outside of set courses without having another skier losing control at speed and dying or killing someone else.