Originally Posted by rod9301
ct, I ski a lot of step terrain, much deeper than pcmr, in the Sierra backcountry.
I definitely to
tip the inside ski, but reduce the edge angle on the outside ski, to provide for a brushed carve. this works to keep speed under control.
so tipping the inside ski is not incompatible with steeps.
and if you listen to Eric d, who skied a lot of steeps, he advocates in a pedal turn to put the new inside ski on it's lte edge, ie tip it.
and I do the same thing when I'm in a narrow couloir firm and 50 degrees. ie pedal turns, tip the inside ski, and feather the outside edge.
btw, when people talk about steeps, it's typically 50 + degrees, and sustained, not pcmr two turns steeps. sorry for being snarky, but I couldn't help myself.
Again, to be clear, what has been persistently advanced in this thread is that even in steeps, active tipping of the inside ski to then engage the new outside high in the turn (at very least BEFORE the fall line) is the goal.
And, factually, empirically, that engagement of the new outside ski high in the turn is not consistent with controlled steeps technique.
Eric D does not advocate getting on the new outside ski's inside edge high in the turn on real steeps.
Real-world, steep also varies, as I have already noted repeatedly, both according to skier ability and according to conditions, hugely.
Real-world, not many people are ever on sustained 50+ degree steeps either, btw. It might be low 50s for a few turns, and then backs off, for the most part. In the real world even very good skiers adjust their technique well before they hit 50+ degrees.
So, again, we have steeps where the advocated movement pattern doesn't work without at very least huge safety issues and at some level simply doesn't work and is never shown, not once, then we have racing where it is seldom used and seldom mentioned, as noted by among others A-man's son who never heard it mentioned in a full career of camps and coaching, then we have moguls, etc. etc..
We have, for less-skilled skiers, also things like easy black runs that may narrow through a bit of a choke where, for them, they are on steep terrain and trying to use the movement pattern advocated in this thread, for them, will have consequences not dissimilar to those for a stronger skier trying to use it on terrain in the high 40s.