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Replacement for Dynastar Legend Pro 186cm

post #1 of 20
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Having stock piled a few pair of these, I have been skiing them a while as my "skinny" ski. They are for any day where there is less than 6" new. I have Atomic Atlas's for pow days.  I'm 41, 5'9", 165lbs w/ 3 kids  <7 so usually get just a couple of hours a day, but likely still get ~40 days a year? Ski Mammoth mostly, a semi regular trip to St. Anton, AT. Like to drive the tips of the ski in an old school fashion and don't do flippy spinny stuff.

 

I looove the damp stable feel of the Legend Pro. We are talking the original dimensions, 97mm underfoot, 186cm ski. No rocker, traditional camber. 

 

What would have a similar feel in today's <100mm realm? Something smooth, damp, and fairly stiff for ripping wind buff, groomers, and skiing big mountain at medium to higher speeds. 

 

While I love the LP, I am looking for something a slight step easier as in, maybe a wee bit shorter, with a touch of tip rocker or early rise to loosen the ski up in the crud. Getting old... 

 

Suggestions?

 

Thinkin Rossi Experience 98? Others I should consider?

post #2 of 20
Thread Starter 

Sorry, Can't figure out how to edit original post? 

 

Few other thoughts: I'm a bit worried about the +/-20mm turn radius I'm seeing these days as I'm used to the LP which has I believe something around 29mm. I don't mind going a bit shorter, but 18-20mm seems a lot shorter? Will it feel hooky / too turny? I have a buddy who describes the Bonafide as a bit too turny.

 

I demo'd a slew of these skis back in the day and for example, found the supposedly stiff/damp Mantra to be quite easy skiing and that the Legend Pro was the stiff/damp ski. Love the smooth/dampness of a traditional metal laminate ski.

 

I think I really want the Kastle MX98, but I obviously need to win the lottery for those so am looking for the poor mans version. 

post #3 of 20
I skied the 194 LP's. Tried a bunch of shorter alternatives, till I found the 184 MX98 at the end of season sale. It kills all the ones I've tried.
Still, the most expensive ski I've ever purchased.
I got 180 Bones w/Jesters I'll sell ya, but just bite the bullet.
post #4 of 20
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Sorry, Can't figure out how to edit original post? 

Few other thoughts: I'm a bit worried about the +/-20mm turn radius I'm seeing these days as I'm used to the LP which has I believe something around 29mm. I don't mind going a bit shorter, but 18-20mm seems a lot shorter? Will it feel hooky / too turny? I have a buddy who describes the Bonafide as a bit too turny.

I demo'd a slew of these skis back in the day and for example, found the supposedly stiff/damp Mantra to be quite easy skiing and that the Legend Pro was the stiff/damp ski. Love the smooth/dampness of a traditional metal laminate ski.

I think I really want the Kastle MX98, but I obviously need to win the lottery for those so am looking for the poor mans version. 

Poor man's version, Head Monster 98.
post #5 of 20

I have the "newer" 2009 XXL which I believe ski pretty similarly.  I always wanted to try your vintage 97mm XXL though,  Have any extras?  :)

 

The two replacements that come to mind are Stockli Stormrider Pro's & Moment Belafonte (and possibly Garbones for Mammoth).  I have the previous non-rockered generation of the Stockli (105 under foot) and they ski more similar than different to the XXL but they turn a bit tighter with the 27.5 meter radius in the 190's and 23.6 in the 178.   The 178's are softer and a lot easier to ski than the 190's and, after getting the 178's, I sold my 180cm Bonafides AND my 176cm MX78's.  For snow feel, the Pro's are more "velvety" feeling than the Dynastars which are still really smooth and neither have the rubbery, detached feeling of the MX88's I demoed.  Both are fun to carve on groomers for such big skis.  Both can transition from smooth to crud/variable at mach stupid without bucking you off.   Both reward commitment.  My XXL's are the 37 meter radius 109 under foot version and I'm 5'11, 170lbs, 51.

 

I demoed the Rossi E98's on a firm/icy day and it was one and done.  I didn't get along with this ski, at all.  It felt big and stiff and didn't hold an edge well.  I have some big skis but this one made me feel like I needed to put on 25lbs.  Maybe it was the tune.

 

Regarding the Moment skis...from Blistergear's Line Supernatural 108 review:
 

"The 13/14 Belafonte is simply a stiffer, straighter ski, and in my book, skis like a better, quicker, Dynastar XXL. I’ve recently put some time on Garrett Altmann’s 2008, unrockered XXLs, and I’d rather ski the 13/14 Belafonte in everything other than maybe pow. For those of you who lament the demise of the XXLs, you might want to demo a Belafonte or find a pair of Moment Garbones.

The prototype Supernatural 108s didn’t feel anything like a XXL; that’s why I’ve called it a cross between a Belafonte and a Sir Francis Bacon. It’s easier, more maneuverable at slow speeds, smoother, more versatile, playful yet substantial."

 

And a comment from their Belafonte review:

 

"In my review of the LINE Supernatural 108, I made a comment that I was pretty sure I’d get flamed for: despite the legion of fans of the old, revered, non-rockered 186cm Dynastar XXL, I would take the 187 Belafonte over it in a heartbeat. The XXL is great at fast & straight or fast & big turns. But the 187cm Belafonte is very good at fast and straight, yet I find it to be much quicker and easier to handle in tight spots, and more fun to carve."

 

This intrigued me enough that I bought a pair of 187 Belafonte's last month.

 

Other skis you might look into that I have not skied are Line SFB or Opus and Rossi Sickle.


Edited by Utagonian - 5/29/15 at 8:30am
post #6 of 20
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I demoed the Rossi E98's on a firm/icy day and it was one and done.  I didn't get along with this ski, at all.  It felt big and stiff and didn't hold an edge well.  I have some big skis but this one made me feel like I needed to put on 25lbs.  Maybe it was the tune.

Exactly! Very few 170lb'ers really connect with the E-98/100. If it didn't hold an edge well, then it was the tune.
post #7 of 20

Agreed.  When I weighed 220lbs, I LOVED the E98.  Great wide GS carver.  However, now that I've lost 40lbs......not so much.  I'm looking for something easier to flex.

post #8 of 20
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Exactly! Very few 170lb'ers really connect with the E-98/100. If it didn't hold an edge well, then it was the tune.

 

It might have been that I was timid about getting enough angle to set an edge on them too. 

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It might have been that I was timid about getting enough angle to set an edge on them too. 

I've only met a couple of women who've enjoyed them. One is about your size but shorter, the other, the same height, but about 150. No offense, but they're stronger skiers than you are at the moment. Matter of fact, they're both stronger skiers than most all the folks I see at the hill. If you're ever out in the PNW I'd highly recommend a clinic with them.
post #10 of 20
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Poor man's version, Head Monster 98.


Ha!!  I knew you were going to say that!

 

As for the OP's request ...... too many m's in your radii ..... sorry, that's all i got :o

post #11 of 20
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Ha!!  I knew you were going to say that!

As for the OP's request ...... too many m's in your radii ..... sorry, that's all i got redface.gif

It's Phil's line really. smile.gif. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the MX98, but even the industry price is sort of ridiculous.
Edited by markojp - 5/29/15 at 11:55am
post #12 of 20
Thread Starter 

What size E98's have people had/tried? I think that could make a significant difference. Thanks all for the input.

post #13 of 20

5'9" 165, a 172 or 180... The 180 will ski big for your weight. 

post #14 of 20
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172? haven't ever skied anything that short. My wife is on 176 Legend Pro's... I'm skiing big, open mountains ala Mammoth, Jackson, or the Alps. 172 is way too short. 

 

180 seems small to short given the turning radius and slight tip rocker, but when people have tried these, what sizes are their impressions pertaining to. LP is 186 w/ no tip rocker and nearly a 30m turning radius so skis all of that 186cm's...  

 

Is the Kastle BMX 98 too wimpy/soft since it has no the metal? I really like the smooth damp feel of the LP which I largely attribute to the metal. Debating between those and the E98 or sticking w/ LP's since I can find either of those more modern skis for cheap. 

 

Yeah, a few too many mm's in the above posts, sorry! 

post #15 of 20

the new Nordica Enforcer?

post #16 of 20
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172? haven't ever skied anything that short. My wife is on 176 Legend Pro's... I'm skiing big, open mountains ala Mammoth, Jackson, or the Alps. 172 is way too short. 

180 seems small to short given the turning radius and slight tip rocker, but when people have tried these, what sizes are their impressions pertaining to. LP is 186 w/ no tip rocker and nearly a 30m turning radius so skis all of that 186cm's...  

Is the Kastle BMX 98 too wimpy/soft since it has no the metal? I really like the smooth damp feel of the LP which I largely attribute to the metal. Debating between those and the E98 or sticking w/ LP's since I can find either of those more modern skis for cheap. 

Yeah, a few too many mm's in the above posts, sorry! 

Been there, skied that, skied them (E98) a lot.* Have you skied them? Sure, ski a 180 if you want. No problem. Ski a 188 if ego demands, but good luck. The E100 is a tinch softer in the forebody, so sure, do a 180. Many of us who skied the 180 at the local hill are 195-215#, L3 and DCL level skiers, several with race backgrounds. The beauty of the E98 is you can decouple length from ego. The other ski you should consider if you have $$$ to throw at the problem is the Kastle MX (not BMX) 98. A poor man's MX 98? The Head Monster 98. Your other option would be to mount something with a race plate if you really need the ultra-burly ride.


* yeah, I get it. I used to ski 193 Bandit XXX's, 190 something Atomic 10ex's, 205 SL skis, etc... and still have 190 27m GS skis, a length that would have been what I skied GS as an 8th grader way back when.

Edited by markojp - 6/5/15 at 8:44pm
post #17 of 20

I own the E98 @ 180.  LOVED IT........when I weighed 200-220.  I'm 6'2" and found the 180 length plenty.  180 for those resorts would do fine.

 

However, by this Fall I'll be south of 180 lbs and will sadly have to unload the E98, will be in the market for something easier to bend after losing 40lbs.  Thinking maybe the Monster 88 or Rossi E88.

post #18 of 20

Comish, in the other thread I liked the suggestions for the Praxis Freeride and Salomom Q Lab if on a budget.  The MX 98 is the ski if you have the cash.

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I skied the E98 for a year. It slayed the crud (which is what I bought it for)and would trench the groomers but it wanted to dive in powder. Just like an old ski.  Then I demoed the E100. It did everything the 98 did right and soooo much more. Bought a pair. Skied much easier in everything and 15" of powder was no problem. I will say that it took several days for me to bond with it and appreciate it in all conditions, unlike the Soul 7's and S3's that felt like I had skied them forever the first time out. If you can find them, give the 100's a try for a day. If they don't ski exceptionally well, it's probably the tune. After skiing the 100's for a week I sold my Soul 7's. I end up skiing a lot more cut up and crud then untouched powder and the 100's were fun in the powder and as much fun after it was tracked up. Demo if you can!

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Getting psyched for this season and thought I would post an update to this thread on my experiences from last year in case anyone is interested in something similar.

 

Bought used '13 183cm Stockli Stormrider 95's 128/95/117 r22. Took me a few days to get them dialed in, but like them a lot. They are very smooth and damp, but also quite easy to ski all over the mountain. Float better in small pow/crud than the LP, do a variety of turn shapes better than the only long radius turns of the LP. They like really high edge angles which is the thing that took me a bit to figure out, but once I did they were really fun. Really only downside was no where near the same top speed as the LP. The tip is quite a bit softer and actually probably the whole ski is. The don't constantly tell you "Come on you P*ssy, can't you go any faster" like the Legend Pro does. Generally preferred them for 90% of my <100mm ski days. Unfortunately Stockli seems to be following the rest of the industry towards lighter and softer construction so not sure this is particularly relevant to newer Stormriders. Guy who owns the best shop in St. Anton and truly knows his skis and stocks Stockli said, nope, I shouldn't even consider current versions based on what I have liked in the past. Interesting $.02

 

Bought the Head Monster 98 ($290 new!!!) for this year which I'm hoping will have the same top end as the LP, but also ski more versatile than the LP with the shorter turn radius, slight tip rocker, and shorter length. 

 

Did demo the Rossi E100 in a 180cmish for a few hours. Only got it on groomers and refrozen crud in Deer Valley. Really didn't like the ski. Not remotely as damp/smooth as either the Stockli or Legend Pro. Too much sidecut. Its entirely possible the tune was not good as they were the free Rossi demo's, but it was easy to tell these are much lighter and less damp than what I like. 180cm sure didn't seem like too much ski, but I admittedly didn't love them. 

 

Gonna sell at least 1 of the Moster, Stockli, or Legend Pro and possibly 2 if the Monster can replace them both. As it is the Stockli became my daily driver with the Legend Pro still in the locker for hauling ass and days when I want to make 3 turns off the top of Mammoth (admittedly those days are few and far between now :(  )

 

Hope this helps someone.

 

Pray for snow! 

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