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post #1 of 23
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I am afraid that I may be a gear whore!

 

I just bought a pair of Liberty Sequence skis from STP, because I read good reviews and the price was irresistible. 

 

The problem is that I am not sure whether this purchase makes any sense, in view of the other skis that I own.  They fit between two skis in my quiver, but may actually be too close to one of them  (the BMX 98) to be of any real use.  

 

My daily driver is a pair of  Dynastar Legend Mythic Rider.  Full camber.  88 mm at the waist.  21 m turn radius.  A "charger" type of ski.  Very good on groomers and in crud, decent in powder.  A bit stiff for tight trees and bumps.  In spite of being 5 years old, they are in excellent shape and nowhere near done.

 

 

I also own a pair of Kastle BMX 98.  Slight tip rocker.  98 mm at the waist and 24 mm turn radius.  This is a ski that is softer that the MR, and also easier to throw sideways in tight bumps and trees.  Not as stable a carver as the MR.  

 

The Liberty Sequence is 95 mm at the waist, and has a 19 mm turn radius.  It has low camber and a bit of tip rocker and twin tips.  It seems even softer than the BMX 98. I have not skied it yet.  No bindings have been mounted.

 

The question is whether it will be too similar in use and performance to the BMX 98 to justify its presence in my quiver.  What do you guys (and gals) think?

 

BTW, I also have wider powder skis, but that is irrelevant.

post #2 of 23

:rotflmao: So you want us to help you rationalize an impulse buy? Sure. Greatest skis ever made, or it wouldn't be on SAC. Vastly different from anything you own, ignore the overlap. And think how much you saved over buying it at full price, rather than how much you spent for a ski you don't need. 

 

Works for us. 

post #3 of 23
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:rotflmao: So you want us to help you rationalize an impulse buy?

Or convince me that I should put it up for sale in the Classifieds!

post #4 of 23

No problem. 

I don't see any overlap.  You have a good ski for skiing fast, a ski that helps out in untracked snow in trees, and now a ski for even tighter trees. 

The proper quiver size is n+1.

post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by Pacobillie View Post

I am afraid that I may be a gear whore!

I just bought a pair of Liberty Sequence skis from STP, because I read good reviews and the price was irresistible. 

The problem is that I am not sure whether this purchase makes any sense, in view of the other skis that I own.  They fit between two skis in my quiver, but may actually be too close to one of them  (the BMX 98) to be of any real use.  

My daily driver is a pair of  Dynastar Legend Mythic Rider.  Full camber.  88 mm at the waist.  21 m turn radius.  A "charger" type of ski.  Very good on groomers and in crud, decent in powder.  A bit stiff for tight trees and bumps.  In spite of being 5 years old, they are in excellent shape and nowhere near done.


I also own a pair of Kastle BMX 98.  Slight tip rocker.  98 mm at the waist and 24 mm turn radius.  This is a ski that is softer that the MR, and also easier to throw sideways in tight bumps and trees.  Not as stable a carver as the MR.  

The Liberty Sequence is 95 mm at the waist, and has a 19 mm turn radius.  It has low camber and a bit of tip rocker and twin tips.  It seems even softer than the BMX 98. I have not skied it yet.  No bindings have been mounted.

The question is whether it will be too similar in use and performance to the BMX 98 to justify its presence in my quiver.  What do you guys (and gals) think?

BTW, I also have wider powder skis, but that is irrelevant.
Considering your location , I am a little surprised that you are building a quiver from 88 mm up and you have nothing south of 88 .
post #6 of 23
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Considering your location , I am a little surprised that you are building a quiver from 88 mm up and you have nothing south of 88 .


I never said that.  I have both a 76 mm waisted ski (Volkl AC 30 unlimited) , and an old pair of GS race skis.  I hardly ever use them. 

post #7 of 23
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Considering your location , I am a little surprised that you are building a quiver from 88 mm up and you have nothing south of 88 .


I never said that.  I have both a 76 mm waisted ski (Volkl AC 30 unlimited) , and an old pair of GS race skis.  I hardly ever use them. 


Considering your location, I am a little surprised that you are building a quiver from 76 mm up and hyou have nothing modern south of 76. :D 

post #8 of 23
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Considering your location, I am a little surprised that you are building a quiver from 76 mm up and hyou have nothing modern south of 76. :D 

Unlike Ontario, we have places in Quebec, Vermont and NY that have decent snow and do not require the constant use of ice skates in lieu of skis.  And if you read carefully, I mentioned having an old pair of GS race skis, which are 66 mm wide at the waist.  

post #9 of 23

OK, I'll be serious. I own your BMX98's. Best all around handle everything short of sheet ice with minimum of fuss I've ever owned. Mr. Predictable in even slightly soft snow. Not off-the-charts performance parameters, but also won't complain if you want to dial it back and push the pedal to the medal all on the same run. Really strong eastern tree ski. 

 

I have owned on Liberty (Helix) years ago. Nice ski, nothing to go shout from the mountaintop about. Neither as refined, nor as durable, nor as versatile as my BMX's. In fact, least durable topsheets and edges I've ever owned, and that's saying something. Otherwise, same general idea, slightly wider. Have a hunch your Liberty's are narrower, slightly softer, Helix's. Eg, serious do-all overlap with your BMX's. 

 

Here's your real problem: They weren't an overlooked treasure you snapped up. They were on deep discount because no one wanted them. If you try to sell them now, well, good luck and all that. I'd suggest arbitrage, sell them in late Oct. when there's demand from folks who aren't as critical or deep-pocketed as we are here. Or keep them as crappy soft snow skis, let them get dinged up hitting rocks in the trees, save your BMX's for good days. 

post #10 of 23
Put some binding on them and have fun !!!
That is what I intend to do with mine. Overlap with Fischer Motive 95tI ? Nah. if you do not like them You can always sell them with minimal loss (under $200), plenty of buyers looking for ski for under $200 come November. I bet you can get close to $300 for them NIP
post #11 of 23

Put a slush grind on them. 

post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by Pacobillie View Post

Unlike Ontario, we have places in Quebec, Vermont and NY that have decent snow and do not require the constant use of ice skates in lieu of skis.  And if you read carefully, I mentioned having an old pair of GS race skis, which are 66 mm wide at the waist.  
You must have been way luckier then me , finding enough powder and soft snow.I had 40 days in Quebec this past season (out of total 58)and I only needed any fatter ski on 5 (or may be 6 ) occasions.The rest of the time was for my " very modern" 68 mm carvers.
post #13 of 23
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You must have been way luckier then me , finding enough powder and soft snow.I had 40 days in Quebec this past season (out of total 58)and I only needed any fatter ski on 5 (or may be 6 ) occasions.The rest of the time was for my " very modern" 68 mm carvers.

Keep skiing at the wrong resorts (like Tremblant) and those of use who know where the good snow is will keep enjoying it.

post #14 of 23
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You must have been way luckier then me , finding enough powder and soft snow.I had 40 days in Quebec this past season (out of total 58)and I only needed any fatter ski on 5 (or may be 6 ) occasions.The rest of the time was for my " very modern" 68 mm carvers.

Keep skiing at the wrong resorts (like Tremblant) and those of use who know where the good snow is will keep enjoying it.


He means Owl's Head and Jay Peak, although I recall having no problems with skinny skis there back in the day.

EDIT:  I have always managed to get to Tremblant when it was cold and icy, except one day when it was very foggy, so foggy I wanted to put some fog lights on my SGs.

post #15 of 23
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He means Owl's Head and Jay Peak, although I recall having no problems with skinny skis there back in the day.

EDIT:  I have always managed to get to Tremblant when it was cold and icy, except one day when it was very foggy, so foggy I wanted to put some fog lights on my SGs.

I was referring to Burke Mountain, Sutton, Massif du sud, le Valinouet, Mont Édouard, le Massif, etc...

post #16 of 23
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Or keep them as crappy soft snow skis, let them get dinged up hitting rocks in the trees, save your BMX's for good days. 

Thanks for the suggestion!  There is no shortage of such conditions in the East.  I just rationalized an impulse buy.  

post #17 of 23
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He means Owl's Head and Jay Peak, although I recall having no problems with skinny skis there back in the day.

EDIT:  I have always managed to get to Tremblant when it was cold and icy, except one day when it was very foggy, so foggy I wanted to put some fog lights on my SGs.

I was referring to Burke Mountain, Sutton, Massif du sud, le Valinouet, Mont Édouard, le Massif, etc...


:ahijack:Which one is your favourite, and why?

post #18 of 23
I made a similar impulse buy and picked up a pair of Sequences last summer. They are my ne go-to tree ski on light powder days. They skis very short and playful in the trees. Definitely a slashing ski and not a great carver at speed. These are my only 95-100mm skis. I'm primarily a Wildcat skier so I've found myself looking for a stiffer ski of this waist width to complement and not replace the Sequence.

I've never skied the BMX98 to compare.
post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by Pacobillie View Post

I was referring to Burke Mountain, Sutton, Massif du sud, le Valinouet, Mont Édouard, le Massif, etc...
You may be right about Tremblant.My best snowy days were at Sutton and Jay Peak this year.I may try your places next season. They are pretty far away though.( and not the biggest vertical as well)
post #20 of 23
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:ahijack:Which one is your favourite, and why?

Each has its pros and cons. 

 

Sutton is the closest, but is also fairly crowded.  They keep grooming to a minimum.  Snow cover is excellent.

Burke is further away.  Crowds are non existent.  Vertical is decent.  Surfaces are always good and their snow retention is excellent.  Glades are awesome.

Massif du Sud is further away still.  Crowds are non existent.  Vertcal drop is more modest.  Along with Valinouet and Mont Édouard, it gets the most snow in Quebec and keeps it.  Their glades are amongst the best I have seen anywhere.  

Le Massif (not the same as Massif du Sud) has big vertical and can be crowded on weekends.  I am not a big fan of their trail layout, because it funnels almost all skiers onto one or two runs at the bottom and those do get crowded.

Mont Ste-Anne would be my personal favourite in Quebec.  Big mountain.  Great trail layout.  Lots of steeps and variety.  Good cover.  Much better mountain than Tremblant, without the nice village and all the amenities.

Mont Édouard is really far and out of the way, but it has very decent vertical and a ton of snow.

Le Valinouet is much like Mt-Édouard, but smaller and even further away.

 

Here is a link to an article on some of those places:

 

 

http://nyskiblog.com/magazine/#nabble-td1762058

post #21 of 23
Very good and informative report ( from the link above) .Anyone who plans a ski trip to Quebec must have a look at it !
post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by Pacobillie View Post
 

Each has its pros and cons. 

 

Sutton is the closest, but is also fairly crowded.  They keep grooming to a minimum.  Snow cover is excellent.

Burke is further away.  Crowds are non existent.  Vertical is decent.  Surfaces are always good and their snow retention is excellent.  Glades are awesome.

Massif du Sud is further away still.  Crowds are non existent.  Vertcal drop is more modest.  Along with Valinouet and Mont Édouard, it gets the most snow in Quebec and keeps it.  Their glades are amongst the best I have seen anywhere.  

Le Massif (not the same as Massif du Sud) has big vertical and can be crowded on weekends.  I am not a big fan of their trail layout, because it funnels almost all skiers onto one or two runs at the bottom and those do get crowded.

Mont Ste-Anne would be my personal favourite in Quebec.  Big mountain.  Great trail layout.  Lots of steeps and variety.  Good cover.  Much better mountain than Tremblant, without the nice village and all the amenities.

Mont Édouard is really far and out of the way, but it has very decent vertical and a ton of snow.

Le Valinouet is much like Mt-Édouard, but smaller and even further away.

 

Here is a link to an article on some of those places:

 

 

http://nyskiblog.com/magazine/#nabble-td1762058


My only quibble would be that I've never skied Le Massif (original one that dumps into the St. Lawrence) when the snow wasn't like an ice rink; locals consider that pretty par for the course. So the funnel at the bottom can get fairly eventful. But yeah, the view is great and the pitches are significantly better than anywhere else back there, including Mt. Ste-Anne. And they open up the GS course to civilians once in a while each week.  

post #23 of 23

......... you mean ''La Charlevoix" (FIS approved) the only triple black diamond piste in Quebec as far as I know .

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