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My wife had been thinking of trying a new powder ski next year.  She is about 5"4", 125lbs, athletic, 30+/- days per year.  Defensive skier, especially off piste.

 

Her current skis are:

155cm Head i.SL-She loves these on groomer days.  Bends them easily but skis mostly a "skidded carve"

166cm Blizzard Bushwaker/Black Pearl--Go to daily driver.  She feels confident on these in most conditions.

166cm Atomic Century--Used to go with these most days but likes the Blizzards better so rarely skis them anymore.

163cm Praxis Protest--Skied 3 runs and done.  I think she tried to make them work on groomed and when they did not she was afraid of them.  They felt REALLY big to her and they "hurt her knees".

 

We are hoping the low-snow years are over for a while and, if we get some powder, what skis will make it easy?  Should we stay <100mm under foot?  Just use the Blizzards and give up some float?  88mm used to be fat...

 

I was thinking:

 

Head Big Joy 168cm

DPS Yvette 168cm

Armada VJJ2.0 165cm

 

Demo on powder days is a PITA so...


Edited by Utagonian - 5/28/15 at 5:08pm
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My wife had been thinking of trying a new powder ski next year.  She is about 5"4", 125lbs, athletic.  Defensive skier, especially off piste.

 

Her current skis are:

155cm Head i.SL-She loves these on groomer days.  Bends them easily but skis mostly a "skidded carve"

166cm Blizzard Bushwaker/Black Pearl--Go to daily driver.  She feels confident on these in most conditions.

166cm Atomic Century--Used to go with these most days but like the Blizzards better so rarely skis them anymore.

163cm Praxis Protest--Skied 3 runs and done.  I think she tried to make them work on groomed and when they did not she was afraid of them.  The felt REALLY big to her and they "hurt her knees".

 

We are hoping the low-snow years are over for a while and, if we get some powder, what skis will make it easy?  Should we stay <100mm under foot?  Just use the Blizzards and give up some float?  88mm used to be fat...

 

I was thinking:

 

Head Big Joy 168cm

DPS Yvette 168cm

Armada VJJ2.0 165cm

 

Demo on powder days is a PITA so...


Based on the skis she seems to like most I'd say the Head Big Joy is a safe bet, if you're picking from the skis on your list. 

 

A few questions: 

Does she like a ski that is more of a charging steeps powder ski, or something a little more playful and bouncy? 

 

Is it a priority to have a ski that will handle conditions when its 'skied out'?  

 

FWIW, I'm about 10 lbs heavier than she is and I prefer something  right around the 100mm mark for my size and ski style.   The widest I'd consider is 107mm-ish.  

These days I'm spending most of my powder days (which have been limited) on the Nordica Santa Ana 100mm, but the past few years I've been having fun on the Nordica Wild Fire 107mm. 

Although both of these are Nodrica, I don't have a bias toward Nordica.  A couple of my (previous) favorites in the powder category have been Blizzard Dakota 108mm for deep snow, steeps and chutes. 

 

The DPS Yvette 110mm was fun as a playful tigger ski, bouncy trouncy.  However, I quickly got tired of the 110 width.  

 

If she's looking for a solid charger that skis powder quite well, I'd stick with the Head Big Joy.  If she's looking for something a little more "tigger"-like...Maybe the Yvette is a good choice, but for her size, I wouldn't go much bigger than 100mm, and certainly not bigger than 108mm. 

post #3 of 17
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Playful vs charger?  How about "survivor"?  :)  I wish I could convince her to charge more but no. 

 

So if I gravitate to 100mm +/-, how would your take change?

 

So many to choose from...

 

DPS Nina 99

Savory 7

 

Or break the old Century's back out when it is deep?


Edited by Utagonian - 5/26/15 at 5:19pm
post #4 of 17

If she likes to skid/smear, maybe a ski like something like the Line Pandora or the Volkl Kiku that is more swivel-ly than, say, the Century (or the Aura). If the ski pivots sideways easily, it might make her feel more comfortable, since she'll know she can shut down the speed whenever she wants. And that may let her open it up more when she wants. 

 

I ski the Century from about 3-4 years ago and love it, but it has a pretty traditional feel despite the early rise "rocker". It does really well in tight places, but only with intentional input. My good ski buddy, who is an amazing skier, did not like the Century she had and sold it because she was so used to a different feel of ski (and one with a more centered mounting point which makes it look shorter from above, even it if isn't) and she went with the Armada VJJ with loads more rocker and more playful. Maybe the Yvette is like that, but I haven't been on it. Trek can advise further.

post #5 of 17

PS: I hope you let her demo on her own so she can get her own impression and feel for the ski she wants without worrying about pleasing you. And forgive me, but I hope you don't nitpick her skiing like that when you are out there having fun together. ;)

post #6 of 17
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Playful vs charger?  How about "survivor"?  :)  I wish I could convince her to charge more but no. 

 

So if I gravitate to 100mm +/-, how would your take change?

 

So many to choose from...

 

DPS Nina 99

Savory 7

 

Or break the old Century's back out when it is deep?


Given your description of Survivor I would say, go with something that will be helpful to her in powder specifically but will not be too "beefy" 

I'd take the Big Joy out of that mix and add the Blizzard Sheeva as a strong contender.  Especially since she likes the Blizzard feel. 

I'd also say the profile of the Yvette is going to be better powder specific but the Nina 99 wouldn't be a bad option.  Still, the Sheeva is a really good bet. 

post #7 of 17
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My wife had been thinking of trying a new powder ski next year.  She is about 5"4", 125lbs, athletic.  Defensive skier, especially off piste.

 

Her current skis are:

155cm Head i.SL-She loves these on groomer days.  Bends them easily but skis mostly a "skidded carve"

166cm Blizzard Bushwaker/Black Pearl--Go to daily driver.  She feels confident on these in most conditions.

166cm Atomic Century--Used to go with these most days but like the Blizzards better so rarely skis them anymore.

163cm Praxis Protest--Skied 3 runs and done.  I think she tried to make them work on groomed and when they did not she was afraid of them.  The felt REALLY big to her and they "hurt her knees".

 

We are hoping the low-snow years are over for a while and, if we get some powder, what skis will make it easy?  Should we stay <100mm under foot?  Just use the Blizzards and give up some float?  88mm used to be fat...

 

I was thinking:

 

Head Big Joy 168cm

DPS Yvette 168cm

Armada VJJ2.0 165cm

 

Demo on powder days is a PITA so...


For what it's worth, here's what I like since my all-mountain are 159 Black Pears.  lI'm more on the petite side (5'0", 120 lbs), but less of a worrier, and probably a bit older.  I stick with my BPs in up to 6 inches of powder on a day I don't feel like renting out west (live in the flatlands).  My first choice for demo skis at Alta in 6-10 inches of fresh powder is the DPS Nina 99.  I had a good time on the VJJ in the unexpected April storm that dropped 2 feet over night.  That was after finding the Savory 7 not wide enough in the morning.  Only gotten good enough to ski steeper slopes reasonably well in recent years, but been working on dealing with variable off-piste terrain for about six years.

 

In general, I've liked any Head in the Joy line I've tried briefly on demo days.  But haven't been on the Big Joy.

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If she likes to skid/smear, maybe a ski like something like the Line Pandora or the Volkl Kiku that is more swivel-ly than, say, the Century (or the Aura). If the ski pivots sideways easily, it might make her feel more comfortable, since she'll know she can shut down the speed whenever she wants. And that may let her open it up more when she wants. 

I ski the Century from about 3-4 years ago and love it, but it has a pretty traditional feel despite the early rise "rocker". It does really well in tight places, but only with intentional input. My good ski buddy, who is an amazing skier, did not like the Century she had and sold it because she was so used to a different feel of ski (and one with a more centered mounting point which makes it look shorter from above, even it if isn't) and she went with the Armada VJJ with loads more rocker and more playful. Maybe the Yvette is like that, but I haven't been on it. Trek can advise further.

I agree on focusing on a playful ski that is more center mounted. She may get a ton of confidence from having more tail so the ski never feels like it is running away from her, but rather will respond with a surfy personality.

I only say that because that's how I feel.
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PS: I hope you let her demo on her own so she can get her own impression and feel for the ski she wants without worrying about pleasing you. And forgive me, but I hope you don't nitpick her skiing like that when you are out there having fun together. ;)


 "let her"?  I'd love it if she would demo.  And of course I nitpick her skiing.  :)

post #10 of 17
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My wife had been thinking of trying a new powder ski next year.  She is about 5"4", 125lbs, athletic.  Defensive skier, especially off piste.

 

Her current skis are:

155cm Head i.SL-She loves these on groomer days.  Bends them easily but skis mostly a "skidded carve"

166cm Blizzard Bushwaker/Black Pearl--Go to daily driver.  She feels confident on these in most conditions.

166cm Atomic Century--Used to go with these most days but like the Blizzards better so rarely skis them anymore.

163cm Praxis Protest--Skied 3 runs and done.  I think she tried to make them work on groomed and when they did not she was afraid of them.  The felt REALLY big to her and they "hurt her knees".

 

We are hoping the low-snow years are over for a while and, if we get some powder, what skis will make it easy?  Should we stay <100mm under foot?  Just use the Blizzards and give up some float?  88mm used to be fat...

 

I was thinking:

 

Head Big Joy 168cm

DPS Yvette 168cm

Armada VJJ2.0 165cm

 

Demo on powder days is a PITA so...

125 lb skiers are the reason Head Big Joy comes in 158.  Just say'n

post #11 of 17
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PS: I hope you let her demo on her own so she can get her own impression and feel for the ski she wants without worrying about pleasing you. And forgive me, but I hope you don't nitpick her skiing like that when you are out there having fun together. ;)


 "let her"?  I'd love it if she would demo.  And of course I nitpick her skiing.  :)


A lot more women fall into this category than we(those of us on Epic) think.  That's why information is key to helping make a good decision, especially for those who don't have a desire to demo. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Utagonian View Post
 

My wife had been thinking of trying a new powder ski next year.  She is about 5"4", 125lbs, athletic.  Defensive skier, especially off piste.

 

Her current skis are:

155cm Head i.SL-She loves these on groomer days.  Bends them easily but skis mostly a "skidded carve"

166cm Blizzard Bushwaker/Black Pearl--Go to daily driver.  She feels confident on these in most conditions.

166cm Atomic Century--Used to go with these most days but like the Blizzards better so rarely skis them anymore.

163cm Praxis Protest--Skied 3 runs and done.  I think she tried to make them work on groomed and when they did not she was afraid of them.  The felt REALLY big to her and they "hurt her knees".

 

We are hoping the low-snow years are over for a while and, if we get some powder, what skis will make it easy?  Should we stay <100mm under foot?  Just use the Blizzards and give up some float?  88mm used to be fat...

 

I was thinking:

 

Head Big Joy 168cm

DPS Yvette 168cm

Armada VJJ2.0 165cm

 

Demo on powder days is a PITA so...

125 lb skiers are the reason Head Big Joy comes in 158.  Just say'n

The Head Big Joy is one of my personal favorites with the style I have, but for someone who's "surviving" powder a ski with a little more fun shape and playfulness is likely to be better suited, even at the shorter length. 

post #12 of 17
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 "let her"?  I'd love it if she would demo.  And of course I nitpick her skiing.  :)

 

Bravo. An honest guy. Thumbs Up

post #13 of 17
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I sense a touch of misandry...  :popcorn

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 "let her"?  I'd love it if she would demo.  And of course I nitpick her skiing.  :)

My wife has never been interested in demoing skis but this past season I talked her into going to Copper Mountain with me for the industry demos. She had a great time trying a bunch of different skis and found one she really liked, Head Total Joy, and that's what she'll be on next season.  

 

Even though I'm a certified instructor I don't critique my wife's skiing, unless she specifically asks for some help.  Then I will pay attention, give her some feedback and go back to not paying attention.


Edited by mtcyclist - 5/27/15 at 11:14am
post #15 of 17
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Demo days are not usually powder days and when we do get one it is tough to set up a personal demo day.  An industry demo day is how she found the Black Pearls though.  And yes, it was fun.

 

A few turns on the Blizzards---

 

 

post #16 of 17

Misandry? Heck no. I was using "guy" in a gender neutral sense. as in Hey, guys, let's go for a beer... =-) Really.

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