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# Two kinds of Wedge Christie - Page 2

Could we have some one explain exactly how the Wedge Christie should be performed? And what kind of variations are there?

TDK,

see above by Bode, Tog, Mike, & Skier31 as they already have.
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Originally Posted by tdk6

Could we have some one explain exactly how the Wedge Christie should be performed? And what kind of variations are there?

Wedge christie rules as I understand them.  Others with more PSIA experience than me may alter what I'm about to write.

I'd appreciate that if it needs to be done.

1.  Skier looks out ahead towards the next turn's apex.

2.  Stance width does not change; when skis rotate, the pivot point is under the foot, not in front of the toe-piece.

3.  The skier's body remains somewhere between the two feet.

4.  The wedge is narrow (known as a "gliding wedge"); it's not a wide braking wedge.

5.  The turn is primarily driven by rotational movements of the skis.

6.  These rotational movements from wedge to parallel and back again are simultaneous; neither ski is rotated ahead of the other.

7.  Some inside tip lead will develop as the turn progresses.

8.  A big no-no is moving the tail of the new outside ski outward to start the new turn (with a pivot point in front of the toe-piece).

9.  The other big no-no is moving the tail of the new inside ski inward to match skis (with the pivot point in front of the toe-piece).

10. One more no-no is deliberately angulating out over the new outside ski; torso remains upright.

11. Theoretically, all this happens for a new skier automatically when the pitch/speed/forces increase; (known as "spontaneous wedge christie").

Variations:

--The wedge christie may be done with or without skiing-into-counter; a.k.a., skier may remain square to skis, or not.

--It may be done with or without pole plants.

--It may be done with a two-legged extension to help flatten both skis between turns, followed by a two-leg flexion as the turn matures.

--It may be done with alternating long-leg-short-leg flexion/extension; progressively shorten the inside leg as turn progresses; then lengthen it to start the new turn, while doing the opposite with the outside leg.

--The wedge christie may also be done without any deliberate flexion/extension movements, relying primarily on rotation of the skis.

Edited by LiquidFeet - 5/28/15 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet

Wedge christie rules as I understand them.  Others with more PSIA experience than me may alter what I'm about to write.

I'd appreciate that if it needs to be done.

1.  Skier looks out ahead towards the next turn's apex.

2.  Stance width does not change; when skis rotate, the pivot point is under the foot, not in front of the toe-piece.

3.  The skier's body remains somewhere between the two feet.

4.  The wedge is narrow (known as a "gliding wedge"); it's not a wide braking wedge.

5.  The turn is primarily driven by rotational movements of the skis.

6.  These rotational movements from wedge to parallel and back again are simultaneous; neither ski is rotated ahead of the other.

7.  Some inside tip lead will develop as the turn progresses.

8.  A big no-no is moving the tail of the new outside ski outward to start the new turn (with a pivot point in front of the toe-piece).

9.  The other big no-no is moving the tail of the new inside ski inward to match skis (with the pivot point in front of the toe-piece).

10. One more no-no is deliberately angulating out over the new outside ski; torso remains upright.

11. Theoretically, all this happens for a new skier automatically when the pitch/speed/forces increase; (known as "spontaneous wedge christie").

You're way over-thinking this.  All that happens is that you extend your uphill leg a little.  That adds a little pressure and edge to the new outside ski and gets it turning, which creates the wedge.  It also flattens the downhill ski so you can steer it out of the way of the turning ski.  If you do it with some speed and power, the inside ski gets light and automatically matches the outside ski.  If your lateral balance skills are good enough, you can move the skis simultaneously, and that's a parallel turn.

I've never taught wedge christies because, with shape skis, you don't need to force the steering issue at all. I'll show a beginner a gliding wedge, because the added stability helps them a lot, but I'm really looking to get them to move freely at the hip joint, and to flex and extend comfortably.  After that it's just adding speed and pitch, and most skiers are on the learning curve to parallel.

Watch the binding levers of advanced skiers, or even some instructors. If the outside lever tips into the new turn before the inside lever tips (even briefly), that's a wedge christie. If the skier needs to pick up the inside ski by taking a little step right at the turn transition, that's a wedge christie from a slightly backseated balance.   There's a lot of guys who think they are parallel doing those kinds of wedge christies.

BK

Thank you LiqudFeet. This is exactly what I was calling out for. We need details. Let me challange you with a few comments.

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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet

Wedge christie rules as I understand them.  Others with more PSIA experience than me may alter what I'm about to write.

I'd appreciate that if it needs to be done.

1.  Skier looks out ahead towards the next turn's apex.

Serves the same purpose as why you should look ahead when driving your car. Skiing blindfolded is BTW a very good exersice.

2.  Stance width does not change; when skis rotate, the pivot point is under the foot, not in front of the toe-piece.

In order for this to hold true, the stace width should not change when going from parllel to the wedge and back to parallel. Both boots should track at same distance from each other when skis weding and parallel. This results in a compromize between stance width and wedge size. In the video Jamt posted the skiers vary their stance width quite a bit. In the video narration they talk about "slight displacement of the skis".

3.  The skier's body remains somewhere between the two feet.

This means that from a static point of view there will always be more pressue on the downhill ski due to the pitch of the slope. There are no theoretical means of shifting pressure to the uphill ski.

4.  The wedge is narrow (known as a "gliding wedge"); it's not a wide braking wedge.

A narrow wedge gives you less friction, more speed and wider turns. If that is what you want then go for a narrow wege. If you need more speed controll or tighter turns use a wider wedge. Your skis are tools, use them as needed.

5.  The turn is primarily driven by rotational movements of the skis.

IMO the turn is diven by the friction of the edges brushing against the snow. Due to the hourglass ski design and the pressure distribution you provide by leaning forward in your boots there is more friction at the tip than the tail of the ski. This causes the ski to turn. Its not rotatational movements. Only rotational movement would be pivoting the skis into a wedge. When you talk about "rotation" you always have two parts rotating against each other. One way would be if you started out in a heavily antcipated position and counteracted actively through out the turn so that you would end up countered at the end of the turn. Then you would have rotated your femues in the hipsockets from one side to the other. This is what you do in very short turn. In the video Jamt linked I see no such effoerts or movements as the skiers stay mainly completely square. Annother way of applying rotation would be fueling you turn with something commonly called "hip rotation". Of that I see a lot in the video Jamt posted. This is the opposite of "counteracting".

6.  These rotational movements from wedge to parallel and back again are simultaneous; neither ski is rotated ahead of the other.

Yes, rotational movements are used to put the skis into a wedge and back. Not to drive the turn.

7.  Some inside tip lead will develop as the turn progresses.

Oh, no.... tip lead.... just joking, offcourse there is going to be some tip lead.

8.  A big no-no is moving the tail of the new outside ski outward to start the new turn (with a pivot point in front of the toe-piece).

But what if the pivot point is under the ball of the foot but at the same time you push your feet apart to allow for a wider wedge even if your parallel stance is more close? This would offcourse be a bit difficult since there is more pressure on your downhill ski and the uphill ski is easier to displace. This is the reason why the uphill-stem was being used back in the good old days. And still is by some.

9.  The other big no-no is moving the tail of the new inside ski inward to match skis (with the pivot point in front of the toe-piece).

As soon as you tip your skis on edge you cannot pivot them from a pivot point under your boots. Offcourse if your wedge is microscopic it could be possible but on the other hand, if its microscopic the pivot point location is totally irrelevant.

10. One more no-no is deliberately angulating out over the new outside ski; torso remains upright.

This is a funny thing. First, angulation is IMO maybe the most important movement in skiing. If you cant angulate and correctly pressure your outside ski and keep your hips into the turn and away from over the outside ski say goodby to terminal intermediate at the tops. Secondly, in a wedge, you cant increase the pressure on the uphill ski by releasing the downhill ski from its edge. At these speeds anyway. As soon as you release the edge of the downhill ski that pressure will release downhill. Not uphill. You need a weight transfer. It doesent need to be that much. Just a tiny bit. Thats what five star ski instructors do. And they are good at masking their moves. Just as I was in the video where I even turn perfectly when leaning with my upper body in the wrong direction. So leaning out over your outside ski is not only for weigth transfer but for angulation. Teach it to your students as early as possible if your agenda is not to have them take lots of lessons. I know many use this strategy. Thirdly, I think it looks un-dynamic and awful. Totally static. It shares no resemblence to any high end skiing I know of.

11. Theoretically, all this happens for a new skier automatically when the pitch/speed/forces increase; (known as "spontaneous wedge christie").

If you teach your students proper pressure management and body movements then everything will happen automatically.

Variations:

--The wedge christie may be done with or without skiing-into-counter; a.k.a., skier may remain square to skis, or not.

To prevent "hip rotation" and "inclination" skiing in and out of counter is the way to go. It also teaches skills you need later on.

--It may be done with or without pole plants.

Back in the days of the Stem Christie the pole plant was taught at this stage. Nowadays when the Wede Christie resemble more a Wedge Turn than a Parallel Turn the pole plant really doesnt fit in the picture. The pole plant was to be timed to the exact moment of "weight transfer". Still is when we talk about Parallel Turns or Carved Turns.

--It may be done with a two-legged extension to help flatten both skis between turns, followed by a two-leg flexion as the turn matures.

This is a classic way of teaching both the Wedge and the Wedge Christie. I think it serves the purpose of teaching that up-down movement pattern needed later on for the Parallel Turn more than anything else. In the Wedge Christie it serves no purpose.

--It may be done with alternating long-leg-short-leg flexion/extension; progressively shorten the inside leg as turn progresses; then lengthen it to start the new turn, while doing the opposite with the outside leg.

I have no comment to this.

--The wedge christie may also be done without any deliberate flexion/extension movements, relying primarily on rotation of the skis.

Or pressure management.

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Originally Posted by Bode Klammer

You're way over-thinking this.  All that happens is that you extend your uphill leg a little.  That adds a little pressure and edge to the new outside ski and gets it turning, which creates the wedge.  It also flattens the downhill ski so you can steer it out of the way of the turning ski.  If you do it with some speed and power, the inside ski gets light and automatically matches the outside ski.  If your lateral balance skills are good enough, you can move the skis simultaneously, and that's a parallel turn.

I've never taught wedge christies because, with shape skis, you don't need to force the steering issue at all. I'll show a beginner a gliding wedge, because the added stability helps them a lot, but I'm really looking to get them to move freely at the hip joint, and to flex and extend comfortably.  After that it's just adding speed and pitch, and most skiers are on the learning curve to parallel.

Watch the binding levers of advanced skiers, or even some instructors. If the outside lever tips into the new turn before the inside lever tips (even briefly), that's a wedge christie. If the skier needs to pick up the inside ski by taking a little step right at the turn transition, that's a wedge christie from a slightly backseated balance.   There's a lot of guys who think they are parallel doing those kinds of wedge christies.

BK

Great posting Bode Klammer. All you need is that small extension of that uphill ski leg. Thats enough to create pressure needed. You need surpricingly little of it.

http://www.epicski.com/t/122830/teaching-beginners-flex-to-release-or-extend-to-release

In this 8-page thread from 2013 instructors discussed whether they taught flexing and extending to beginners.
It was rather interesting to see the variations in approach.

Some taught flexing the new inside leg to release; others taught extending the new outside leg to flatten the skis and release; others insisted on teaching both together.

Some taught getting short and getting tall (the two-legged approach).

Some instructors did not teach flexing and extending at all, focusing instead on femur rotation with a tall stance.

By no means did everyone promote teaching the same thing.

Yeah I don't think uphill leg extension necessarily guarantees new inside flattening either. That is a movement that needs to be taught.

zenny
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Originally Posted by zentune

Yeah I don't think uphill leg extension necessarily guarantees new inside flattening either. That is a movement that needs to be taught.

zenny

I agree with that.  The uphill leg extension, for a learner with undeveloped lateral balance skills, just adds a little pressure and edge to the uphill ski, but that's enough to get it turning.  If you flatten the other ski simultaneously, you'll be closer to a parallel turn.

BK

TDK:  I am not sure where you are coming from on some of your responses.

5.  The turn is primarily driven by rotational movements of the skis.

IMO the turn is diven by the friction of the edges brushing against the snow. Due to the hourglass ski design and the pressure distribution you provide by leaning forward in your boots there is more friction at the tip than the tail of the ski. This causes the ski to turn. Its not rotatational movements. Only rotational movement would be pivoting the skis into a wedge. When you talk about "rotation" you always have two parts rotating against each other. One way would be if you started out in a heavily antcipated position and counteracted actively through out the turn so that you would end up countered at the end of the turn. Then you would have rotated your femues in the hipsockets from one side to the other. This is what you do in very short turn. In the video Jamt linked I see no such effoerts or movements as the skiers stay mainly completely square. Annother way of applying rotation would be fueling you turn with something commonly called "hip rotation". Of that I see a lot in the video Jamt posted. This is the opposite of "counteracting".

Turning the femurs turns the skis.  Friction does not turn skis.

6.  These rotational movements from wedge to parallel and back again are simultaneous; neither ski is rotated ahead of the other.

Yes, rotational movements are used to put the skis into a wedge and back. Not to drive the turn.

Turning the femurs turns the skis.  During the initiation phase, the outside ski rotates faster, creating the wedge.

8.  A big no-no is moving the tail of the new outside ski outward to start the new turn (with a pivot point in front of the toe-piece).

But what if the pivot point is under the ball of the foot but at the same time you push your feet apart to allow for a wider wedge even if your parallel stance is more close? This would offcourse be a bit difficult since there is more pressure on your downhill ski and the uphill ski is easier to displace. This is the reason why the uphill-stem was being used back in the good old days. And still is by some.

In a wedge Christie, different rates of rotation created the wedge. You do not PUSH your feet apart to create the wedge.

9.  The other big no-no is moving the tail of the new inside ski inward to match skis (with the pivot point in front of the toe-piece).

As soon as you tip your skis on edge you cannot pivot them from a pivot point under your boots. Offcourse if your wedge is microscopic it could be possible but on the other hand, if its microscopic the pivot point location is totally irrelevant.

The wedge Christie focus primarily on rotational skills, you do not need to tip the skis very much.

10. One more no-no is deliberately angulating out over the new outside ski; torso remains upright.

This is a funny thing. First, angulation is IMO maybe the most important movement in skiing. If you cant angulate and correctly pressure your outside ski and keep your hips into the turn and away from over the outside ski say goodby to terminal intermediate at the tops. Secondly, in a wedge, you cant increase the pressure on the uphill ski by releasing the downhill ski from its edge. At these speeds anyway. As soon as you release the edge of the downhill ski that pressure will release downhill. Not uphill. You need a weight transfer. It doesent need to be that much. Just a tiny bit. Thats what five star ski instructors do. And they are good at masking their moves. Just as I was in the video where I even turn perfectly when leaning with my upper body in the wrong direction. So leaning out over your outside ski is not only for weigth transfer but for angulation. Teach it to your students as early as possible if your agenda is not to have them take lots of lessons. I know many use this strategy. Thirdly, I think it looks un-dynamic and awful. Totally static. It shares no resemblence to any high end skiing I know of.

A perfect turn does not include leaning with your upper body in the wrong direction.

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Originally Posted by Jamt

I'd liek to see most of those turns be rounder, they all seem pretty abrupt with a traverse connecting them. I'd like to see them flow more.

I'm with skier 31. The other thing is teaching things like angulation and counter to brand new skiers is a good recipe for a mess. And moving outside to the outside ski? Oy vey talk about a disaster that will have legs.

Wedge christy demonstrates independent leg steering.

I learned to ski direct-to-parallel not too long ago, so I had to learn to make wedge turns when I became an instructor, along with wedge christies.

The head trainers at my mountain were both examiners; they took pains to get instructors to know how to do the wedge christie in a way that would get a pass in LII exams.

Not brushing out the new outside ski's tail to start the turn was a big focus, as was not sliding the inside ski's tail in as the turn progresses.

Maintaining a constant stance width was also a big focus, but if the first two are followed there's no issue with stance width.

These three were what we were taught would get you a fail.  Getting the wedge christie right was presented as very important for passing that exam.

My go-to head game now when doing wedge christies is to make a basic parallel turn, but to delay the action of the new inside ski/leg/foot.

I don't think of anything else.  This concept for obvious reasons won't work with beginners.

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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet
These three were what we were taught would get you a fail.  Getting the wedge christie right was presented as very important for passing that exam.

Having done Tech Team and Dev Team tryouts and worked with L3 candidates this winter, I will say it stays important forever.

I don't understand that. Most learners should be able to ski that step with modern skis. What is the point of teaching a sequential or wedge turn entry?
The only skiers who have trouble with wedge Christies are instructors who force the movements because they don't understand the dynamics.

BK
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Originally Posted by epic

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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet
These three were what we were taught would get you a fail.  Getting the wedge christie right was presented as very important for passing that exam.

Having done Tech Team and Dev Team tryouts and worked with L3 candidates this winter, I will say it stays important forever.

...and I suppose that's not because we need to be teaching the wedge christie specifically to all our beginners, but because if an instructor can't get it right, then that instructor doesn't have full control of each foot/leg independent of the other.  That counts, of course, only if the instructor has gotten good coaching on how PSIA wants the wedge christie done in the first place.

Plus, that forward pivot point is an issue for many in their basic parallel turns.  The wedge christie is going to highlight that if it's an issue.

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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet

...and I suppose that's not because we need to be teaching the wedge christie specifically to all our beginners, but because if an instructor can't get it right, then that instructor doesn't have full control of each foot/leg independent of the other.  That counts, of course, only if the instructor has gotten good coaching on how PSIA wants the wedge christie done in the first place.

Plus, that forward pivot point is an issue for many in their basic parallel turns.  The wedge christie is going to highlight that if it's an issue.

Bad habits show up in the wedge Christie.   Improvement in  your wedge Christie will translate to improvement in your skiing.

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Originally Posted by skier31

Improvement in  your wedge Christie will translate to improvement in your skiing.

Skier31 - its not rotation that turns you. Its the friction of the edges on your skis. Initially you rotate your skis into a wedge but that will not cause a turn. Its the pressure management between the skis that are brushing over the snow.

Which way is in your opinion the wrong way to lean?
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Originally Posted by skier31

Bad habits show up in the wedge Christie.   Improvement in  your wedge Christie will translate to improvement in your skiing.

This is perfectly true.

Can you shortlist the bad habits and also the movements that will translate to improvement in our skiing?
Edited by tdk6 - 5/29/15 at 9:30pm

It is bad when an untrained skier "invents" this 200 year old ski turn on their own.  By the way, a christie turn was named for the old name of Oslo, Kristiana or Christiana, Norway.  The changes in ski equipment and ski technique have made this turn totally irrelevant and actually harmful to the skiers progression.  Never teach anything that must be un-learned.

It is horrible when a so-called instructor teaches the christie turn to a student.  Absolute negative.  Any first day skier on modern equipment that fits OK can make simple parallel turns on the bunny slope by the first afternoon.  At least, my students have.

I never ever teach stem christies or wedge christies.  E-V-E-R.  I teach movements which lead to parallel.  Even skiers who are habitual wedgers, there is no reason in my view to teach intentional wedge christies.  Teach them to release and activate the inside foot first.  Wedge b gone.

As far as what constitutes a good wedge christie demo, per PSIA exam, my TD a few years ago explained it like this...  he said basically you steer the uphill ski into the turn WITHOUT stemming it.  The reason a wedge forms is simply because that ski, the outside ski, steers into the fall line while the inside ski is still a bit lazy and matches later.  The focus is not as much on the inside foot, leg and ski, but more on the outside ski, engaging it, steering it with rotary, moving the upper half into the turn, and then matching the inside ski as secondary to the above and in the case of wedge christie, in a delayed way.  At parallel skiing, the inside ski matching becomes more simultaneous with the above steering of the uphill ski into the fall line.

To do the demos for my bosses I basically just do everything I normally do for parallel turns, but I delay the inside foot flattening a bit so that the inside ski doesn't quite steer into the turn as quickly as the outside.  But I only do this to please the bosses, I consider this poor skiing and not something I ever teach or demo.  E-V-E-R.  In a stealthy way, I still relax my downhill leg to release into the turn, to move my CoM across, transfer weight to the uphill ski, etc., but I just allow the uphill ski to steer itself into the turn and hold back the inside ski from going completely to the LTE so that a wedge will develop initially.  This got me through all relevant exams.

However, the truth is, that holding back activation of the inside foot until later is basically a problem.  If focus is on the inside foot to begin with, then all of the good things that need to happen will happen without a wedge forming needlessly at all.  After the first few hours of learning to ski, no skier should be intentionally creating wedges with their skis.  That is a habit that will hold them back for decades if they are not careful.

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Originally Posted by borntoski683

I never ever teach stem christies or wedge christies.

If you were working as a trainer you might have to teach it. Look at the horrible abominations of wedge christies that many instructors are teaching and performing.

Well that's an interesting topic in and of itself. Instructors are making abominable wedge Christies and they could be trained to make better wedge Christies but why not train them to make better parallel turns involving early inside foot activation? I hear you, the powers that be want to see wedge Christies a certain way so some trainers have to teach it. for now that isn't me
Hmmm, opinions certainly vary!

I was taught a wedge Christie by executing the same movements as a parallel turn and it works out just fine without needing to do anything different to "make" it happen other than to slow down.

Seems if one needs to do something different then they would otherwise to make a good turn, maybe something ain't right at one end or the other of the spectrum? Or maybe it is worth asking if the Examiners are really asking for the demonstration of a wedge Christie that is in conflict with a parallel turn or one that is in harmony?????????
A wedge christie is definitely different then a parallel turn...there is a wedge! How many times have you seen instructors that have little tiny wedges at the start of their turns that they just can't shake, even when they THINK they are skiing parallel? Do you think its any coincidence that they have been learning how to do wedge christies and somehow expecting the wedge entry to magically go away when they think parallel? A wedge entry is not caused simply by going slower. It can be caused by a number of different things but one of them is late or lazy inside foot activation.
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Originally Posted by borntoski683

A wedge christie is definitely different then a parallel turn...there is a wedge! How many times have you seen instructors that have little tiny wedges at the start of their turns that they just can't shake, even when they THINK they are skiing parallel? Do you think its any coincidence that they have been learning how to do wedge christies and somehow expecting the wedge entry to magically go away when they think parallel? A wedge entry is not caused simply by going slower. It can be caused by a number of differenframework t things but one of them is late or lazy inside foot activation.

That unintended tiny wedge at the start of the turn can be seen even in the skiing of many of the clinic leaders at the annual psia-e masters academy (the ones in the purple and green outfits). Some ski the entire academy week without making a parallel turn. Same is true for some of their students.

Sharp,

Do you mean Masters Academy or Pro Jam? Master's Academy is a sub-event that runs concurrent with Pro Jam. The Master's Academy clinic leaders are current or former PSIA National Demo Team members or equivalent. The Pro Jam clinic leaders are Eastern division examiners. There are usually around 7 Master's groups (and about 40 Pro Jam groups) each year. How many of 7 is many? Can you name names? My experience at Master's Academy (4 times) and National Academy (3 times - also with demo team clinic leaders) differs greatly from your observations.

As a reminder to those in the peanut gallery watching at home, PSIA level 3 certification requires a simultaneous edge change. This can not be done from a wedge. Examiner status requires skiing at a level above level 3. Demo team status is another level beyond that. To believe that many such skiers ski with a tiny wedge to start all of their turns it is necessary to believe that a massive fraud exists within PSIA. Such a theory is easy enough for anyone to believe or disprove with just a tiny bit of their own research. Or you can just ask yourself why the top instructors in the world pack the clinics lead by US demo team members at Interski. Are they in on the fraud too?

Here's a Go With A Pro tip from Michael Rogan. If he's got a wedge turn entry in his skiing you ought to see it in the bumps. I did see one turn with a wedge entry. Big whoop. Decide for yourself.

or if you want to believe that Michael makes all of his turns with a wedge entry just watch this clip

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Originally Posted by borntoski683

A wedge christie is definitely different then a parallel turn...there is a wedge!

Yes, that is correct. I have a suspicion that maybe the name is somehow derived in part by that?

The point though was the input is the same for a wedge christie as it is for any offensive gliding turn. I grant you the outcome is a spontaneous wedge forming, which would be desired for a wedge christie.

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Originally Posted by borntoski683

How many times have you seen instructors that have little tiny wedges at the start of their turns that they just can't shake, even when they THINK they are skiing parallel?
Do you think its any coincidence that they have been learning how to do wedge christies and somehow expecting the wedge entry to magically go away when they think parallel?

Seriously, you are really using the conspiracy theory from down the road here???? Good grief!

Anyway, (to speculate on the myriad of random skiers) no, I would not expect the wedge christie to be the root cause of their issues for something that is pervasive throughout all aspects of their skiing.

As an aside, I am not really all that hung up about the parallel relationship of the skis. Parallel serves as a convenient distinction to wedge. However, parallel skis does not necessarily equate to great skiing. Plenty of times we see WC racers without their skis parallel and plenty of times we see skiers with poor technique maintaining parallel skis. Good offensive gliding turns can also result in diverging skis.

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Originally Posted by borntoski683

A wedge entry is not caused simply by going slower.

Correct, a spontaneous wedge will result from making a good offensive gliding turn at a slow speed. ...it is that simple.

The difference's I typically note between the novice skier and the instructor would be the instructor on too steep of terrain, going too fast and consequently needing to force/make the wedge to happen.

I have often heard it expressed that the wedge christie is so easy a new skier can do them. …usually with a heavy dose of disdain for the just completed demo.

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Originally Posted by borntoski683

It can be caused by a number of different things but one of them is late or lazy inside foot activation.

Yes, well, many things can result in a wedge, no doubt. A spontaneous wedge does not form as a result of a late or lazy inside foot. To the contrary, the inside foot would be just as active as in any good turn, however, as the skier moves into the new turn their weight will be biased on the new inside ski causing it to rotate at a slightly slower rate then the new outside ski, which will rotate a tad faster, thus a wedge will spontaneously form.
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