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Ski size and type - help needed

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
I am 5’9”, 165lbs, solid intermediate skier willing to improve.
I have not completely switched from old (skid) technique to new yet.
I ski in the East and really do not like ice.

I want one pair of “do it all” skis, all mountain bias groomed, responding well to skidding technique and good on ice (good in bumps too since I ski Mad River Glen).
I want skis that behave on ice a little bit like old straight skis.
I figured that skis with less side cut work better for me.

I ski now on Salomon X Scream-7 185cm (103-68-90, currently X Scream, not X Scream Series). Sizing chart few years ago gave me 174cm and 185cm.
Aren’t they too long for me?
They are not as wide as other shaped skis and I was afraid that 174cm could be too short for these rare east powder days.

What skis should I try if I decide to change?
Is Stockli Stormrider AT too difficult for me?
How about Elan Fusion S 12 (great review on Peter Keelty’s website – www.techsupportforskiers.com), isn’t there too much side cut.
How about Atomic R10 or something easies Atomic E:9?
Or maybe I should buy the same skis but shorter (174cm Salomon X Scream orange).

What about size?
I think about something between 174 and 177.
170 seems to be too short for me, is it?

… or maybe I should still use them for another 2-3 years and then (after I improve) get Stockli?
post #2 of 15
Jacek, if you want to improve you should look at a higher level ski. I would go with Peter's recommendations.
post #3 of 15
I am 5'7" 170-80 and I ski the Atomic R11s in 170.

My wife is not a petite woman and about an inch shorter than me and she skis on the Atomic R10s in 160 and loves them.

I would demo the R10s in 170 and I'm sure they will be plenty of ski for you.

The waist of the R10 and 11 is 70 which will give you plenty of float without going long.

BTW the Atomics hold on ice extremely well.

[ August 22, 2003, 11:24 AM: Message edited by: Scalce ]
post #4 of 15
I agree with the other guys, but 174's are ok for you. Go 170's if you wish but you might not see much difference until you get into some tight turns... really tight. I'm only 5'4". I have some 174's and 168's. I like them both. Different ski- different conditions and/or different stuff you want to do.
Remember- some guys here have at least 5 or 6 pair of skis! And they use them all! different conditons and things they want to do. Some days you feel like tight turns, other days, deep powder, other days..... get crazy... I'm going to die someday anyway! [img]smile.gif[/img]
I envy them- I don't have the $$$ to get that many skis! Bob
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks for your answers.

I’ve red a bit from other threads and checked few websites.
I think now also about Atomic R:9 170cm but I am not sure if it is stable enough on ice (both curving and skidding).
Anybody tried it on eastern ice?

How about K2 Axis X 174cm – It looks too heavy for me (they use mass to reduce vibration)

post #6 of 15
The K2 does use mass to damp vibration, but I beleive that the weight is only 15g on the men's ski, and 10 on the women's, so don't worry about that.

I think you might want to look at a Volkl G3 (or whatever it's called now, AX3?). Maybe an Atomic C:9 too.
post #7 of 15
I have the Mod X (Axis X). They feel a bit heavy when carying them around but I assure you they don't feel that way while skiing. Very nice handling ski. Love 'em. I also have a set of Volkl F4's... about a 3 year old ski. What a dandy, fun ski! Both are great.
post #8 of 15
Hi you seem a bit like a ski buddy of mine..
I'm not either for or against Rossi's..they haven't been mentioned..yet.
He bought a pair last year..used..a year/two old..I think they are 9sPro..about a 170/175
WOW!..these things raised his skiing level..like..I simply couldn't believe it!
They look like they do it all for him..skid/ice/carve..stable enough at speed..user friendly,forgiving..

I haven't skiied them..
post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 
I am almost sure I’d hate C:9.
I bought Atomic Beta Carv 9.18 in 1999 180cm.
They were great on groomed but on ice I had absolutely no control (trying to skid).

I replaced them with Rossi Bandit X 184cm (103-68-90) – great skis (still not enough ice grip).

After 3 years on Rossis I bought Salomon X Scream-7 185cm (103-68-90) – stiffer then Bandits (or better edge grip), not as easy to ski as Rossis but gave me more control on steep icy slope.

Now I think it is time to go shorter and here I am.

9SPro are probably great carving skis but do not accept skidding (and when we are blessed with some powder they may be too slim)
post #10 of 15
You mention vibration and mass and you want a ski that skids?

Getting something like a Stormrider .... probably way out of your game.

Why not take a lesson and do some adjustment of your technique? It's a heck of a lot easier than trying to find a ski that rewards poor technique!

It's not rocket science .... you are just tipping the ski on edge and letting the ski do the work. There is nothing that can't be fixed by a reasonable instructor with an eye for mechanics. Take a private and have a bit of fun. I may be an instructor but, I'm not the sort who thinks you have to be "tethered" to or slaved to the system .... it's just easier and a whole lot cheaper than finding a ski to skid on.
post #11 of 15
Thread Starter 
It does not hurt to improve your technique but you are not going to improve if you do not feel safe on the slope.
If I stay on groomed and not too steep carving will work for me.
If I move to steeper and icier slope I need to feel that I can stop when I need.

This is not only my problem – I know at least few intermediate skiers who feel much better on “pencil” skis when ice is involved.
Many western skiers and expert skiers who “were born on skis” do not understand what I am talking about.
I met a guy who had Salomon X Scream Series and thought about getting second pair of eastern ice skis.

I know that there are no perfect skis but there are some which will work better than other for me.

I mentioned 2004 Stormriders AT which supposed to be easier to ski but I do not think I get them.
I know they are too difficult for me.
post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 
I also think that skidding is still part of skiing.
There are situations in which you need to skid even when you are good in new technique.
You can also do it for fan – sort of gliding on the snow.

Peter Keelty understands it.
In his ski reviews there is a category “skid” so people like me can have an idea how a pair of skis work if you try to skid on them.
post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 
I meant "fun" of course
post #14 of 15
You are looking for a ski that doesn't exist if you want something that allows you to skid in control on ice. You might just want to get a good tune on the skis you have. I have skied the 9.18 and it is great on ice, but then I wasn't trying to skid every turn.

Skidding is part of skiing, but should be a part of your skiing repertoire, and should not be the only move you know.
post #15 of 15
Giving a good bootfitter(using the alignment equipment) business early in the season is always a smart move imo....and adding an instructor's eyes is Always a smart move if things aren't flowin'
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