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Versatile GS Skis?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
I was looking for recommendations on a GS ski that has most of the performance of the upper end GS Race boards I have seem talked about here, BUT that would also be more versatile. By versatile I mean you can ski on them the rest of the day; function at normal speeds on runs with other skiers; and an occasional venture off-piste. (I know that bumps and GS skis are not compatible). Would a shorter than normal full bore race ski be more versatile?

I ski and race in the Lake Tahoe area. Although it is Club racing, the courses are Master's like with a few on homologated runs. FWIW, I'm 190 lbs. and a 7 to 7.5 skier. (Still need more work on the deep powder and steep bump runs).
post #2 of 12
I like the Atomic BetaRace 9.20 (I think they are called something like the 9.22 this year). Great ski that can handle serious speed, yet has a good amount of side cut for tight arcs. The float isn't great compared to a mid-fat or fat ski, but they do ok in the light stuff.
post #3 of 12
The Fischer World Cup RC and the Elan Dual X are two good choices.

The Dual X shares the same footprint as the GSX (100-62-86) but is considerably softer and easier to ski. If you place the skis racing performance higher than its off-piste versatility then I would lean towards the Elan.

The Fischer has a 17m turn radius and a ton of shape. It's still got insane edge grip and is quite powerful. I'm not shure if I would want a GS ski that is quite as turny as the RC. However, if you place its all-around versatility and fun factor above its performance in the gates then look into the Fischer.

I have not skied the new GS9 but would certainly place in the same catagory as the above skis.
post #4 of 12
I agree about the Atomic Beta Race 9.20. Extremely versatile GS style ski for Eastern US conditions (hey, that's all I'm really familiar with). I have the '99-'00 version in 180 cm, although 170cm will probably be the length of my next pair of skis. I'm at level 8+ I guess, weigh 160 lbs and am 5'8". I think they're called 'GS-9' this year. BetaRacer would know. You should probably also check out the 'SX-11' in the Atomic line. I'd also consider the Volkl T-50 5-Star SuperSport - may be better in softer snow, if that's a factor.
post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks so far for the comments.

+Mike+
Why do say that a 17m turn radius is too tight? I'm not concerned with FIS rules but I see a number of people ski GS in slalom skis (albeit most of them are not in the higher skill classes). Unlike Masters, we have classes based on a handicap system which are then split male/female and into a Junior class, open class, and vet above 45 years old. Some of the people in the top classes (say 1 or 2) may also compete in Masters races.

So what are the disadvantages of a tighter radius ski? Can't you still make the adjustements to maintain a good line?
post #6 of 12
If you are running tight GS sets in your league then there is no problem with a tight radius GS ski. You would probably be better off with one.

The rec. GS skis are made to turn with very little pressure without being bent, hence they are easier to use at lower speeds. And when they do turn, it is on a very specific arc. With a true GS ski you control the turn shape by how much pressure you put on it. Can a rec. GS ski be used in an FIS course? Sure, but it will certainly be slower than a race ski because it will always want to turn with minimal pressure. So to answer your question if adjustments have to be made with a tighter arcing ski I would have to say yes. However, in club race leagues whose courses may be modified SL/NASTAR or the like, a rec GS ski is probably the ideal weapon of choice, not to mention its versatility. The RC is an absolute blast to ski. I have only taken a few runs on them but I highly recommend it.

As for running GS on slalom skis, Nooooooooooo thank you
post #7 of 12
Try this year's Rossignol 9X. www.techsupportforskier.com gave it a glowing review for versatility.
post #8 of 12
Gotta second the Fischer WC RC. I skied it last spring, and loved it. I don't think I have gone that fast on the groomed since I sold my old 208 Wolf Super Gs. K2 is selling true race room skis in certain shops. These vert sidewall beauties are buildt in the Vashon, Washington factory, and are the real deal. We have a few pairs on order at Kittredge Sports in Mammoth Lakes, if you are in the area.
post #9 of 12
Let me throw this out at you:

Atomic R:11.20

This is their top of the line all around freeskiing ski. I skiied the identical 11.20 last year, in both 180 and 190. I basicly feels like 95% of a nice commercial race ski, except it has a 70mm waist width and is very good all over the mountain. If you only rate yourself as a 7-7.5 skill level, this ski is *plenty* of ski for you in a race course, for any gs racing, let alone club racing. It might actually bring your skiing up a notch. Since you live in the west, a narrower GS board really isn't the best thing to go with.

Demo, Demo, Demo!

Kevin

[ November 07, 2002, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: Red Sled ]
post #10 of 12
I don't know what it is marketed as in the States, but the Volkl P50 Race Carve Energy has earned a lot of plaudits as an 'all mtn GS ski' in the european market, benefitting from having a more 'pure' big brother the P50 F1 (is it still called that in 2002/3?).
post #11 of 12
I think that is the p-50 platinum or p-50 motion (same ski with motion system)

The p-50 gs (their gs "race" ski -consumer model): 104,65,90
the p-50 platinum: 103,63,92

platinum is also softer, probably like the elan dualx (maybe even softer since the elan gs is apparently pretty stiff-stiffer than the volkl i think maybe mike+ knows)

The elan is very similar in shape to the old volkl p-40 (red and white) I think that was 101,63,86. I used to ski on that- a great ski but a bit of a handfull off the groomers. (It was a challenge for a week at Taos). I did try the newer version once (not this years but still 65 in the waist) and felt like it was better all around ski. I wouldn't have gone over a 181 cm in that ski unless you were skiing real gs (not tight) courses very very fast.

Having said that the elan may be a bit narrow for an "all around ski"

I loved the energy rail system though i've never tried the motion. You get addicted to lift and plates I'll tell you. The energy rail was pretty beefy in comparison (but much heavier) but maybe they've kept the performance.

The rossi gs is supposed to be their best gs ski since the old 9x 9.9. I know a few people who love that ski.

But mike+ is def. way more knowledgable about gs...

The only way to really know is to try them.
post #12 of 12
I have a p50 motion and I am happy with them staying on-piste. Excellent skies. In that sense it is versatile enough.
But even occasional off piste will not be fun.
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