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post #211 of 248
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 


I saw this as well. It looks to me like they just rolled it all back to what it was as the end of last season and are probably starting over with the data merges.  I would expect that it will look different in a month or so, or perhaps trying again over the summer to upgrade and import the data to a newer platform again ... hopefully with better results.  Are these the same folks that did the first ACA website launch?  hahahahaha!


Meh, why?  The old (current) site does everything it needs to do.  Both the new Nastar and RTG sites were pretty bad in comparison to the usability of the old site.

post #212 of 248
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Looks good- my old and new records seem to be mostly there and back on my old NASTAR number.  Might be a small glitch- I don't see some of my best results from a few days this year.  Missing beer league results from last night too, but those usually don't show up on RTG / NASTAR until sometime the next day when the race department is back online during biz hours.  

 

Now that this mess is sorting out, let's see what good things can come from USSA.  

 

Onward!

post #213 of 248
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Originally Posted by Ventura View Post
 

Looks good- my old and new records seem to be mostly there and back on my old NASTAR number.  Might be a small glitch- I don't see some of my best results from a few days this year.  Missing beer league results from last night too, but those usually don't show up on RTG / NASTAR until sometime the next day when the race department is back online during biz hours.  

 

Now that this mess is sorting out, let's see what good things can come from USSA.  

 

Onward!

 

Yeah, my beer league hasn't uploaded most of our results to RTG - only 1 in my case.  And there is a note that they are working on porting this years nastar results to the old system.  If I had to guess I'd say that RTG probably used a similar data model to the old site and what ever the Nastar "developers" came up with for the new system likely takes a little more ETL work.

post #214 of 248
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Meh, why?  The old (current) site does everything it needs to do.  Both the new Nastar and RTG sites were pretty bad in comparison to the usability of the old site.


Mostly because I doubt that USSA/NASTAR will be getting a refund of the money they paid for the upgrades... so the vendor will try again to deliver the product rather than settling a lawsuit.

post #215 of 248
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Mostly because I doubt that USSA/NASTAR will be getting a refund of the money they paid for the upgrades... so the vendor will try again to deliver the product rather than settling a lawsuit.

 

I doubt it.  It wasn't an upgrade it was a failed attempt to write a whole new system.  Judging by the quality of what I saw I'm thinking it must have been someone's brother in-law and not a professional software/database outfit.

post #216 of 248

Vola Timing has been a nightmare for Junior USSA racing too:

 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/newestpost/145537

 

Very little response... NASTAR skiers must outnumber race parents on Epic.

post #217 of 248
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I doubt it.  It wasn't an upgrade it was a failed attempt to write a whole new system.  Judging by the quality of what I saw I'm thinking it must have been someone's brother in-law and not a professional software/database outfit.

I already made the ACA website joke hahaha

 

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Vola Timing has been a nightmare for Junior USSA racing too:

 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/newestpost/145537

 

Very little response... NASTAR skiers must outnumber race parents on Epic.

 

We actually have a NASTAR Friends and Family team but didn't hype it up last season like we did previous years.

post #218 of 248

My  Beer league/Race the Gates results for this year are on the site, so they've started the merge.

post #219 of 248
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My  Beer league/Race the Gates results for this year are on the site, so they've started the merge.


The note on the Nastar results page says that they completed the RTG merge but are still working on the Nastar

 

* RESULTS UPDATE *

 

We are working as quickly as we can to bring all the results together.

  • All previous year's results are now available for viewing. All your login information, results and rankings should be as they were at the end of the 2014/15 season.
  • All results from RaceTheGates.com have been processed into the NASTAR database. These now reflect NASTAR age groups and NASTAR medals and scoring.
  • Resorts are in the process of switching to the new scoring software and results are starting to come in.
  • Rankings are running as usual.
  • We are working through the challenging task of integrating the NASTAR data from this season. This will be done ASAP. In the interim, you will find this year's NASTAR results at nastarresults.ussa.org.

The process of merging this data may result in duplicate records. We apologize for this. It's unavoidable with imperfect data from multiple systems. Please login, or register, and from your results page take the 'Merge Race Results' option from the 'Tools' box on the right side of the screen.

-- The Team at Global Reach Sports --    (thrilled to be working with USSA, and to be back with NASTAR)

post #220 of 248
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Very little response... NASTAR skiers must outnumber race parents on Epic.

 

More likely beer league racers (like myself) who's leagues use NASTAR software for the results. Beer league racing be serious bidness!

post #221 of 248

Are they still going to invite everyone with a pulse to nationals with those emails congratulating us on qualifying for nationals even if we didn't ski a single NASTAR run that season, or did but only got silver?  No lie, I get them every year and laugh because I don't ski gates very well anymore.. just for laughs..

post #222 of 248
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Are they still going to invite everyone with a pulse to nationals with those emails congratulating us on qualifying for nationals even if we didn't ski a single NASTAR run that season, or did but only got silver?  No lie, I get them every year and laugh because I don't ski gates very well anymore.. just for laughs..

 

Even if you only ski silver (or bronze) there is a category for you - that is kind of the point of Nastar

post #223 of 248
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Even if you only ski silver (or bronze) there is a category for you - that is kind of the point of Nastar

This also kind of always cracked me up though. If. I remember right, they take the top 3 from each division (platinum, gold etc) at each resort. So if yo are the third best bronze racer you "qualify for nationals" but if you're the 4th best platinum racer you don't. Do they compensate for this in any way, does anyone know?
post #224 of 248
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Even if you only ski silver (or bronze) there is a category for you - that is kind of the point of Nastar


Ya but "qualified" is a bit of an overstatement hahaha.  I'm OK with inviting people but they try to make it sound like I'm ranked highly in my age group or whatever when that isn't true at all LOL

post #225 of 248
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This also kind of always cracked me up though. If. I remember right, they take the top 3 from each division (platinum, gold etc) at each resort. So if yo are the third best bronze racer you "qualify for nationals" but if you're the 4th best platinum racer you don't. Do they compensate for this in any way, does anyone know?


Ahh makes a little sense.. So, the guy that was .02 seconds over gold and got high silver has a high likelihood of qualifying hahahaha.  That's hilarious!

post #226 of 248

If you have 2 legs and a wallet you can get in!

post #227 of 248
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Originally Posted by UllrIsLord View Post


This also kind of always cracked me up though. If. I remember right, they take the top 3 from each division (platinum, gold etc) at each resort. So if yo are the third best bronze racer you "qualify for nationals" but if you're the 4th best platinum racer you don't. Do they compensate for this in any way, does anyone know?


It isn't quite that restrictive.  Top 10 nationally, top 5 by state, top 5 by resort and anyone who qualified at multiple levels/resorts gets eliminated at any lower levels so number 6,7,8,whatever qualify then.

 

And honestly if you want to go, you can pretty much just send them an email and ask to go.

 

I've qualified at some level every year since I started skiing again in 2009, its not a super exclusive club ;)  Skied silver one year, gold the next and qualified platinum the last few years.

 

Looking forward to Steamboat this year and getting my butt kicked, they put on a good event - not just about the 4-5 runs you get to take.

post #228 of 248
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Originally Posted by JohnnyV View Post
 

 

More likely beer league racers (like myself) who's leagues use NASTAR software for the results. Beer league racing be serious bidness!

 

Same here, though I do know many parents and/or coaches for the kids- from prep school racing to the more serious programs U18's etc.  I was seriously bummed on their behalf for the same reasons mentioned on the other thread.  'Old' people like me are going to get our runs in anyway and keep banging the gates to improve, then fatten the resort coffers via beer and booze consumption.  However, I think the kids might be a little harder to keep dialed in if without results they don't know how they are doing until days later.  Hate to think that a kid who is on the fence for staying in the program drops out but might have stayed 'pumped' from some instant feedback showing improvement.  I'm sure a lot of parents' heads have been exploding.

 

I would like to thank everyone who contributed to this thread.  As a group we were well informed and had a good grasp of what was happening with the timing & records.  In our large program, only the race program senior staff had better information.  This thread certainly helped to get the word around regarding what was happening.

 

 

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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 


Ahh makes a little sense.. So, the guy that was .02 seconds over gold and got high silver has a high likelihood of qualifying hahahaha.  That's hilarious!

 

It does happen, LOL.  My first season racing I was on the slow road to improvement and only qualified as Bronze.  A friend who is always solidly gold did not qualify.  By the time finals would have rolled around I was hitting low (high?) Silver handicaps, almost Golds- so maybe I could have been a Bronze 'ringer'. 

 

Based on the latest Nastar Nats rules, I would not have been the lone sandbagger- looks like there may have been folks who qualified as Bronze but hit Gold times their first day racing.  This year's rules would bump them up to Silver class IIRC.

 

This year I don't think I will be strong enough as a 'Gold' to qualify, though I did end last season at the top of Gold rankings for resort and state.  I'm not that good on the longer, more difficult beer league course but as the resident silverback gorilla on skis I can carry good speed when conditions get mushy on the late season NASTAR course.  If they indeed consider last year's records I may get an invite.  I won't attend:  Anniversary weekend (wife could come) but also Easter weekend & I'm already spending enough $ on my two college kids to bring them along too.

post #229 of 248

Don't think that some aren't so serious about the Nationals that they will sandbag all season so they can run in a class they can win.

post #230 of 248
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Originally Posted by dakine View Post
 

Don't think that some aren't so serious about the Nationals that they will sandbag all season so they can run in a class they can win.


Beer league connected to NASTAR records fixes that for many- your teammates will kick your butt if you sandbag on your race night.

post #231 of 248
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Originally Posted by UllrIsLord View Post


This also kind of always cracked me up though. If. I remember right, they take the top 3 from each division (platinum, gold etc) at each resort. So if yo are the third best bronze racer you "qualify for nationals" but if you're the 4th best platinum racer you don't. Do they compensate for this in any way, does anyone know?

 

 

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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 


Ya but "qualified" is a bit of an overstatement hahaha.  I'm OK with inviting people but they try to make it sound like I'm ranked highly in my age group or whatever when that isn't true at all LOL

 

 

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It isn't quite that restrictive.  Top 10 nationally, top 5 by state, top 5 by resort and anyone who qualified at multiple levels/resorts gets eliminated at any lower levels so number 6,7,8,whatever qualify then.

 

And honestly if you want to go, you can pretty much just send them an email and ask to go.

 

I've qualified at some level every year since I started skiing again in 2009, its not a super exclusive club ;)  Skied silver one year, gold the next and qualified platinum the last few years.

 

Looking forward to Steamboat this year and getting my butt kicked, they put on a good event - not just about the 4-5 runs you get to take.


Yeah, it is a fairly open qualification process since as jeep noted, when you qualify at one level, your name is taken out of the remaining levels and everyone left moves up a notch.  TagJr made it i last year on that type of deal as he was way outside of the 10/5/5 rule, but still got an invite.  And, yes, the way the system works, if the race gods smile/frown on you and you just squeak into the next medal class, you could go from a #1 ranked Gold skier to dead last on the Platinum list, or from qualifying to being nowhere near qualifying.  Wish the system gave more reward to those who race more frequently than allowing someone who only races once to be on equal footing.  Still, as Jeep said, that kinda is the point of NASTAR.

 

Will be interested to see what kind of numbers they draw to Nationals this year.  When TagJr. and I went in 2012 to Winter Park, they had @ 1100+ racers at the event. When TagJr went last year to Snowmass, I think attendance had dropped to 800 - 900 skiers.  TagJr was the only one in his age/medal group last year.  

post #232 of 248
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Will be interested to see what kind of numbers they draw to Nationals this year.  When TagJr. and I went in 2012 to Winter Park, they had @ 1100+ racers at the event. When TagJr went last year to Snowmass, I think attendance had dropped to 800 - 900 skiers.  TagJr was the only one in his age/medal group last year.  

 

Will be interesting.  I skipped the 3 aspen years due to the crazy costs of going there.  With Nationals being on easter weekend not sure if that will help or hinder participation

post #233 of 248
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post #234 of 248

So, current results are getting posted to NASTAR, and some rankings are beginning to appear; however, it looks like all the racing results done on the earlier software (Vola Timing?) still haven't been merged over to the new(old) database.  For me that leaves me with one day of racing officially posted and 7 day's of results lost in the Ethernet somewhere. 

 

post #235 of 248
The results page says they are still working on that portion. Thankfully our local hill didn't get the NASTAR stuff working so almost everything was rtg. We did use the "new" NASTAR software last Friday and it seems to be working fine.
post #236 of 248

OK I had some experience with the new, work in progress system.  My son and I raced at Blue Knob Saturday.  Filled out the forms, gave them our NASTAR numbers but they said they weren't sure that the NASTAR numbers would still be valid.  I asked for the Pace Setter's time and they said 22.5.  After my first run, 26.5.. I asked what that was.  She said silver, which sounded about right.  I asked what I needed for gold and she  said 2 seconds faster.  Sounds about right.  Then I asked what my 13 year old son needed to medal and she said he already had silver.  I was pretty shocked because he doesn't even parallel yet, stem christies all the way down with a timid start, times in the mid 30s.  Weird but he was very happy, especially since he ended up with gold.

 

So, I got a 24.53 on my best run... They gave me gold for that.. which I though was probably about what it should be..

 

So, last night I went online to check and see if the results posted..

 

So, even though I filled out the form with birth date and my son's info online was correct last week they put him in the age 8-9 group but he is 13.. HAHAHAHA OK that's why he got gold maybe??

 

We went hope happy with gold even though I was pretty skeptical about the kids' being gold.

 

Online they have us both as silver... but with the kid still in the wrong age group..  I guess it is fair to put him in the 8-9 because he only weights 75 pounds LOL!

 

http://skiracing.nastar.com/index.jsp?pagename=results&page=comp&compid=784155

 

http://skiracing.nastar.com/index.jsp?pagename=results&page=comp&compid=995076

 

Any idea why they bumped us up a medal from silver to gold at the resort??

post #237 of 248
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OK I had some experience with the new, work in progress system.  My son and I raced at Blue Knob Saturday.  Filled out the forms, gave them our NASTAR numbers but they said they weren't sure that the NASTAR numbers would still be valid.  I asked for the Pace Setter's time and they said 22.5.  After my first run, 26.5.. I asked what that was.  She said silver, which sounded about right.  I asked what I needed for gold and she  said 2 seconds faster.  Sounds about right.  Then I asked what my 13 year old son needed to medal and she said he already had silver.  I was pretty shocked because he doesn't even parallel yet, stem christies all the way down with a timid start, times in the mid 30s.  Weird but he was very happy, especially since he ended up with gold.

 

So, I got a 24.53 on my best run... They gave me gold for that.. which I though was probably about what it should be..

 

So, last night I went online to check and see if the results posted..

 

So, even though I filled out the form with birth date and my son's info online was correct last week they put him in the age 8-9 group but he is 13.. HAHAHAHA OK that's why he got gold maybe??

 

We went hope happy with gold even though I was pretty skeptical about the kids' being gold.

 

Online they have us both as silver... but with the kid still in the wrong age group..  I guess it is fair to put him in the 8-9 because he only weights 75 pounds LOL!

 

http://skiracing.nastar.com/index.jsp?pagename=results&page=comp&compid=784155

 

http://skiracing.nastar.com/index.jsp?pagename=results&page=comp&compid=995076

 

Any idea why they bumped us up a medal from silver to gold at the resort??

 

 

Well, those results are RTG results not the "new/failed" nastar software.

 

RTG used a different handicap chart and slightly different age groups, so it is possible you had a gold in their scheme but when it was rescored for Nastar it changed your results.  You don't say what your age is, but if you look at the chart here is might explain it:

https://www.racethegates.com/#programInfo

post #238 of 248
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Well, those results are RTG results not the "new/failed" nastar software.

 

RTG used a different handicap chart and slightly different age groups, so it is possible you had a gold in their scheme but when it was rescored for Nastar it changed your results.  You don't say what your age is, but if you look at the chart here is might explain it:

https://www.racethegates.com/#programInfo


They have me in the correct age group.. Ya I had a thought that the handicapping in the system they now have at the NASTAR booth might generate slightly different results and scoring.  I told my kid about the age group mistake but also told him he still did well competing against other kids his size,.. and he doesn't have a lot of lifetime ski days under his belt.  He only gets out 3-5 days a season from age 8 on..  Anyway, we had a lot of fun and have no plans to take it on the road to nationals so we certainly got our money's worth. 

 

OK they have us both as gold there but he is in the 6-10 age group where he actually belongs in the next one up

 

https://www.racethegates.com/#resortresults/rtg/981/43

post #239 of 248
My point about the age groups is that in rtg I am 40-45, in NASTAR I am 45-49. Which puts the handicap cutoff in a different spot. Although forme it meant that a couple golds in rtg went platinum in NASTAR.
post #240 of 248

So, I went there and registered myself and my son.  Now my profile is there, I can log in as me or my son, but all the race results for me... that were there under my name before I actually registered have disappeared.  They are also GONE from the Blue Knob RGT results for that day.  My son is still there but I am not.. Send them a message LOL

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