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Maybe I can provide some comparative data: Coaches of my U10 and U14 racers said they need rec skis, no more using the SL's or combi's, so on Epic's advice, got them each Volkl Gotama Jr's (80 mm waist, fully rockered just like the adult version). Their verdicts: Both carve them nicely, younger one likes his but thinks they're "too slow" and "no good" on ice. Older one is meh, says they're fun in terrain parks and bumps, but not awe inspiring on ice. He said they felt "slippery" running fast at lower edge angles. Have a hunch older one would not sign on again, younger one hard to say. 

Draw your own conclusions, as I'm sure you will...biggrin.gif  

Yeah, I'm always curious how anyone can misspell a title. Unless Josh is back. wink.gif

I can understand why the jr. got wouldn't be a particularly good wider free ski choice for the east, but it works quite well for our hill and program which is spent largely off piste, and I would think would be absolutely fine for Tahoe. Race kids in the area, and in general, don't expect their free skis/powder skis to hold as well as their race skis, nor should they.

Some of the kids out here that I've found helpful for kids I'm coaching AND improve their technique:

Gotama Jr., K2 Bad Seed or similar... IMHO, I don't like to see smaller, lighter kids on skis wider than 85'ish. It isn't necessary.
Slightly older/heavier kids, Head Ethan Two, Atomic Elysian, or similar (95'ish). For slightly larger 130-150 lbs kids, the Nordica Soul rider or similar work well (97). A couple of kids got great deals on Head Great Joys at the end of the season.. young women, roughly 110-120 lbs... I don't typically recommend skis over 100 underfoot... it's sort of overkill. I'd rather see them with a hard snow ski as a second pair, but for most families, a second pair of skis isn't in the discussion. The biggest issue for kids IMHexpereince is not to get a ski that or boot that is too stiff, or a ski that is too long.
post #32 of 41

Some observations from my my now 9 year old. Draw your own conclusion. Our family ski for fun 20d/y and prefer mostly soft conditions outside the groomers. Two years ago I bought a pair of Völkl Gotama Jr to him (Low fullrocker, light nimble ski 87mm waist). These skis has been absolute perfect for him to improve general skill ecspecially in soft condition. Right now he does not even understand why people think it is difficult outside groomers and in crud conditions. He has however deveoped a slight bad habit of skidded turns when he is lazy on groomers but I dont see this as a problem. I'm currently reserching new skis for him and I will spoil him with something good. Defenitively Tip and tail rocker not too stiff, preferably with some camber. Philpugs recommended Blizzard Cochise Jr in an other tread and for us they sounds Ideal.

post #33 of 41
It's a nice little ski, too. Mind the tail is flat if your kid is skiing switch or doing park stuff.
Edited by markojp - 5/8/15 at 8:26am
post #34 of 41
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Also curious when people think kids should get poles? Age based, skill based, need based?

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Can someone please fix the title? It's distractingly scatological. @marznc?


Done . . . with approval of the OP.

post #36 of 41
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Also curious when people think kids should get poles? Age based, skill based, need based?


Old threads about kids and poles:

http://www.epicski.com/t/122661/introducing-kids-to-ski-poles-where-to-start

http://www.epicski.com/t/8502/when-should-kids-start-using-poles

 

I let my daughter have poles after she was tall enough that the rental fleet at our home mountain included poles short enough for her.  She starting ski school at age 4, asking for poles at 5, didn't get poles until she was 6.  By then she was skiing Mid-Atlantic black groomers.  She didn't use them during lessons during the first season she had poles when free skiing.  It was a lot easier for her to have poles for the lift line and flat spots, even though it meant I usually carried her poles when we loaded the chair.  By the time we went out west when she was 7, handling her own poles on the chair was a non-issue.

 

My friend's son was 8 this past season, which was his third season.  Only gets to ski a couple long weekends at Massanutten (small place in VA).  Was skiing blues the year before after a few days of ski school.  He got poles the second season.

post #37 of 41
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Also curious when people think kids should get poles? Age based, skill based, need based?

Usually when they are able to make mostly parallel turns and can make their own way down the hill (not having to follow someone).

post #38 of 41
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Also curious when people think kids should get poles? Age based, skill based, need based?

For skiing off piste--get them now. Learning how to pole downhill gets them out of the back seat, keeps the upper body square downhill, times the turns, pretty tough to ski bumps without them (doesn't mean it can't be done, and I'm sure someone is going to say they will learn better technique without them. Pay them no mind.) And absolutely essential for getting up after you fall in deep snow. Is your daughter still skiing without poles or just your son? If she is--that may be part of the problem. Also essential for maneuvering in a Tahoe lift line on a powder day--blocking people trying to pass you in line, releasing their bindings if necessary, other uses the moderators won't let me post.

post #39 of 41
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My daughter started using them this year. My son started asking for them at the end of the year.

 

Releasing bindings? That's a good one. I've "accidentally" whacked people with my poles and of course used them to tow* my son across flat spots.

 

*Notice how I wrote "tow" instead of "toe"? I been workin on my homophones.


Edited by afterburn - 5/8/15 at 3:48pm
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*Notice how I wrote "tow" instead of "toe"? I been workin on my homophones.

You and the Supreme Court. :D

post #41 of 41
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Yes, except in their case getting it right matters a lot more. If they screw up, can't ask the moderator to fix it. :beercheer:

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