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Replicating an old Lange WorldCup 150

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

Dear Boot Gods,

 

I am still in my beloved Lange WorldCup 150s from 2006 (which I believe are zb/zb). My size is 24.5 (284) and I have 1 rivet out. (Street size 8.5. I am a woman.)

 

These are the BEST boots I have ever had in a lifetime of skiing. I tried a Lange WorldCup plug boot from 2012, (ZB) and they are TOO SOFT and TOO UPRIGHT. I will be getting rid of them. What is the closest boot I can find to that 2006 Worldcup 150? I would clone it, if I could. I am desperate to find a replacement. Can you make some brand and model suggestions, please?

post #2 of 12

Hi Bumpsnstumps,

The Lange RS 140 was my favorite front side boot at the SKI/SKIING magazine test we did last month.  If you liked the 150 without a rivet, this should be the one for you.  We will have this At the BootDoctors in Telluride next fall.

cheers

Bob G

post #3 of 12
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Oh, Hi Bob. Thanks for getting back to me. This is Deanne from Killington/Sugarbush. You and I met when you worked on my Lange 120s (which were too soft anyway) to make the liner fit after my Achilles rupture. It was actually Galena who worked with me. I was in A LOT that particular week. You guys also shipped back my Dynastars when they delaminated while I was on vacation out there another year.  So, the RS 140 is different from the 2012 Worldcups I found to be too soft?

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Oh, I fear the RS 140 may be too wide. My worldcup 150s are 92 wide, which is just perfect. Anything wider than that is going to be a problem. The RS 140 is 97, which will be too wide. I don't have a narrow foot, especially. But I have a very narrow heel. I also have a high instep. And I seek a very aggressive fit. As you know, that all must start with the shell! Any other suggestions? 

post #5 of 12

other things you could try would be the Head Raptor B2 or B3 they are the same boot  (different flexes, B2 being stiffer) in a 93mm last when measured in a 26.5 shell  more forward lean than the langes for sure , other options, i do not have a tecnica catalogue to hand, but they make a 93mm race boot in a 150 flex,

 

you could alter the forward lean on the lange by adding a spoiler, one thought i have had whilst typing,...... does this ZB feel soft because it is slightly more upright and you have more available range of motion? if so the spoiler might just work

 

good luck in the quest to find the right one

post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 

Thank you, Colin. Too bad the UK is a little too far for me to come in and chat with you in real life!


That's an interesting question about the boot softness. The new langes did feel too upright, but I think they also just felt a little "squishy" and heavy all around. My old 150s weigh a ton when I'm carrying them. But as soon as they're on, they feel light and responsive, like they've been sprayed in place. I can hardly walk in them, they're so stiff, and must go sideways up and down stairs. The new Langes were a cinch to walk in, which I took as an instant bad sign on the way up the stairs to the chair. So I would guess it's not just the stance with that pair, but the softness. I also had to work much harder skiing them. My thighs burnt out after a few moguls--and I've been skiing all season.

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Thank you, Colin. Too bad the UK is a little too far for me to come in and chat with you in real life!


That's an interesting question about the boot softness. The new langes did feel too upright, but I think they also just felt a little "squishy" and heavy all around. My old 150s weigh a ton when I'm carrying them. But as soon as they're on, they feel light and responsive, like they've been sprayed in place. I can hardly walk in them, they're so stiff, and must go sideways up and down stairs. The new Langes were a cinch to walk in, which I took as an instant bad sign on the way up the stairs to the chair. So I would guess it's not just the stance with that pair, but the softness. I also had to work much harder skiing them. My thighs burnt out after a few moguls--and I've been skiing all season.

I highlighted the interesting comment in your prior post----as you mentioned, the newer boot has a more upright stance----do you happen to have slim calves?  what circumference at the top of the liner?

 

Many folks with your issues (boot feels too upright) will ski their boots with the upper buckle and power strap loosely buckled.  This allows them to move forward over their foot and center up just behind their met heads (this also contributes to the boot feeling softer).  If you were to install a spoiler to change the angle of your tibia as CEM suggested, you should then be able to ski over this sweet spot without getting the quad burn.  Lange makes a fairly thick spoiler that should do the job .

 

Most of the Lange's are coming with a 12 degree forward lean, the older boots had about 14 to 15 degrees.   

 

mike

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Thanks for your insight, Mike. My calf is not particularly slender, although it does start up high, and I am very narrow at the back of the heel (hence, my need for an aggressive heel pocket). I measure about 9 inches around the calf where the boot hits.

 

The spoiler option is very helpful to know about. Thank you. I usually ski with the top buckle on the outermost setting or on second setting (if it's warm). But I do use one of those neoprene power straps (that i have put on the boot), and pull it pretty tight. (I like the bounciness of it when I push into it.) I also am in an aggressively foamed liner, which is the only way I can get no heel lift and no side-to-side movement inside the boot. I tend to refoam every two to three seasons, or as soon as I start to get motion.

 

Rather than fix my "new" 2012 Worldcups, I'd be more interested in starting all over in another boot. I would imagine that my 2006 Worldcup 150s (ZB with one rivet out), that i love so much,, are at that 14 or 15 degree angle. Can you suggest any other boots that are stiff, close to 92 in width, and at that 14 or 15 degree, like my old Langes? I've been a Lange girl most of my adult life, but would switch for the right boot. Heck, I'd do almost anything for the right boot. I have 5 pairs of skis, but only one pair of boots. Deanne

post #9 of 12

9 inches of circumference at the top of the liner is slim, in a 24.5 boot (if I am reading that right)----We stopped using "forward lean angle" many years ago, as it is imposable to measure the angle.

 

We place the heel of the boot against a vertical wall (or carpenters square) and measure from that vertical surface  to the back of the liner,

 

at the top of the back of the shell.  this way we can compare apples to apples.

 

Your size leg needs around 75mm of distance measured the way described above.  Measure your old boots forward lean this way to see, what you had, that you liked,.  Fore/aft balance is

 

directly affected by the forward lean of the boot----modifying forward lean is too easy in your case, since you need to move forward, "use a spoiler"----it is harder to make a boot more upright for

 

the folks that have large calves, we have to bend the forward lean out of the boot shell.

 

Boots to try:

Stick with the Lange World Cup in a stiffer flex----you said you were a Lange gal !:beercheer:

 

mike

post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 

Really? I don't seem that small to myself! But thanks for the measuring tip. That's a good one. Also makes sense that it's easier to get more of a forward angle than an upright one.

 

As for going with a stiffer Lange, do you have any shell recommendations? My newer one I don't like is, as I said before, a 2012 WorldCup plug boot, zb. Would I go for a zc?

 

Anyway, thanks so much for your help. I'm a bit far from South Carolina, or I'd come by to say so in person.


Deanne

post #11 of 12

Considering we are a "in town" store (not at a resort) it astounds me, that we have had folks come in from very far afield (all over the US and as far away as japan), maybe we aren't too far.;)

 

so how far are you?

 

I think before you worry too much about stiffness( which IMO is not your real problem)  you should find out where your optimum forward lean position is located, and then shop for a good boot fitter (not just a boot seller)

 

We estimate that about 90% of all the folks you see skiing on any given day are out of position and skiing in the back seat----not good.

 

By the way, we have seen folks in size 23.5 boots with a calf circumference of 16 and 18 inches at the top of the liner----now, they have problems!!!

 

Fore/aft position is influenced by:

 

1. boot board angle (heel to toe height differential inside the boot)

2. Binding heel/toe height differential call "Delta angle"

3. Calf circumference

4. Boot forward lean

 

Do you have custom foot beds? 

post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 

Hi Mike,


Yes I see people back in the saddle all the time, which always amazes me that they can control their skis at all. (And sometimes they don't). I'm a bump skier. I'm always forward. I even ski with really short poles, so that my hands are always in front of me, not getting "caught" behind if a pole tip drags.

 

And yes, I have custom footbeds, made by an orthopod. I've spent years getting those right and have 3 of them now, just in case.

 

I live in New York City (and ski in Vermont), so the Carolinas are a big haul for me, especially since I don't have a car!

 

I am printing out everything you've been kind enough to share with me, so that I can refer to it.

 

Deanne

PS--we just finished our season on Sunday. That's why I'm already starting on getting this taken care of before next season. Also why my boots are laying all over the floor of my apartment!

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