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How do High School teachers do "ski trips"

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 

So I am having a serious "oh shit" moment and anxiety. 

 

My girlfriend is on the track to become a high school science teacher and I am reading contracts for different teachers (my mother worked in the school district in HR). 

 

 

Do HS teachers have 0 vacation days? the best I saw was 2 "personal" days. How the hell do you do any ski trips unless its only when kids are off from school?

 

This may seriously suck..... 

post #2 of 29
Their vacation days are during swim season. It's why I was thrilled to get out of accounting.
post #3 of 29
Thread Starter 

so when the going on vacation when schools in session is near impossible ? 

post #4 of 29

sick days by contract.....school vacations, personal days by contract.  faculty staff advisor to ski club is always good

post #5 of 29
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sick days by contract.....school vacations, personal days by contract.  faculty staff advisor to ski club is always good

smart and the biggest high schools are likely to have ski clubs right?

post #6 of 29

no idea Yuki.  a friend in Newburgh school system was one for many many years. Is that large or smart?  and it was certianly NOT school day duty, it was after school to Vernon valley or that other place nearby....;)

post #7 of 29

my suggestion to the OP is don;t rock the boat at first with 'unreasonable' days off requests or a teaching career may be over before it got started

post #8 of 29
Thread Starter 

yeah its just depressing to know her ski career is pretty much dead by her professional career... any trips to alta or anywhere else out west is going to be when its a zoo during christmas break. 

 

 3 months off in the summer fucking great, some shitty south american resorts where they can barely keep the power on.  

post #9 of 29
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no idea Yuki.  a friend in Newburgh school system was one for many many years. Is that large or smart?  and it was certianly NOT school day duty, it was after school to Vernon valley or that other place nearby....;)

opps  yuki is another poster here.  sorry for the mistaken identity.....and a bit snarky respose.

post #10 of 29

Better response would be yes larger schools may be more inclined to have ski clubs, or better yet ski teams.  All will be after school activities except for perhaps ski teams that make it to the after season competitions, often held at better regional resorts during school days, but that assumes quality program and great results.

post #11 of 29
Thread Starter 

wells theres pros and cons out of it like all things. 

 

Pros 

- I can get an early start on my season at Chile or aregentina 

 

Cons

- She just realized that any serious popular north american trip is out of the question unless we want poop lift lines (breck vail whistler , even the locals were complaining about alta over xmas break...). 

post #12 of 29

I am a 28 year veteran teacher and my profession has never interfered with my skiing.   It's totally do-able.  I only took 2 seasons off - one for a bed rest pregnancy and one for an inexplicable inability to leave my baby.  That passed!  You have to become a weekend warrior.  I hit the slopes at opening at a very crowded local resort and leave when it gets crowded.  A season pass helps.  I don't mind leaving.  

 

Vacations:  Christmas is usually too expensive and conditions are too inconsistent to make it worth traveling to a big resort.  Ski weekdays at a local day-trip mountain.  They will still be relatively uncongested on weekdays because the parents are still working and very few vacationers are traveling to day trip mountains.

 

Presidents' Weekend:  Choose a location that will have much less tourists - Montana and Wyoming are generally a good bet.  Mt. Bachelor is enough out of the mainstream and large enough to offer good terrain choice.  In Colorado (Wolf Mountain) and Utah (Powder Mountain) look off the beaten track; these are just 2 examples and there are others.  They do not become congested on holidays.

 

Spring Break - see above.

 

Ski Club:  if the school has one, offer to help.  Chaperones are always needed and ski and stay free.  If the school doesn't have one, start one.  Begin with day trips on Saturdays or Sundays to local hills.  Once you build up a following, add a 4 day trip.  Insurance is usually the issue.  Through the Boy Scout Explorers, I used to set up insurance.  Each skier had to pay an annual Explorer fee (girls are also welcome in Explorers) and I had to follow all the BSA regulations regarding leadership and chaperones.  It was really common sense stuff that I would have insisted upon anyway.  I don't know if they still insure ski clubs, because I haven't done it in years, but they do still cover surf clubs for sure.

 

Other than that ... some districts have "no tell" personal days that you can use without giving a reason for the absence.  You need to check the  district policy on absence.  It's important.  Loss of the teaching credential can result from improper use of "sick" days.

post #13 of 29
... or you could live and work in a community with or close to some night skiing, ski touring, etc... During the first year of teaching, she'll be ridiculously busy. Things will settle down. Yes, you might not want to book a trip to Breck or Alta at spring break, but there are other excellent and less populated options... and damn if it wouldn't be cool to spend some time south skiing during our summer for two or three weeks.
post #14 of 29
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... or you could live and work in a community with or close to some night skiing, ski touring, etc... During the first year of teaching, she'll be ridiculously busy. Things will settle down. Yes, you might not want to book a trip to Breck or Alta at spring break, but there are other excellent and less populated options... and damn if it wouldn't be cool to spend some time south skiing during our summer for two or three weeks.


This ^^^.  She's looking for a job, so look near skiing.  I taught for 31 years and was able to ski a fair amount, except when my own family responsibilities got in the way.  It's true that a teacher's contract allows for no vacation days but you do get weeks off during the year, it's just that's when everyone with kids is off too.  Oh, well.  It won't kill you to join the masses.  I pushed it a bit in my last year of teaching; I got snow sick a couple of times, which I never had done before  (I had short-timer disease) and got in 38 days.

 

Also, as markojp mentions, the first year of teaching is one of the most intense experiences a person can have.  Give her some slack during her rookie season. 

post #15 of 29

I did school vacation week trips with my son when he was in high school (President's week in this part of the country).  Crowds and inflated prices at the resorts really aren't an issue if you go a little more out of the way.  The real issue was air travel -- higher prices and lower availability.  The heavy period is creeping back to Thursday of the week before vacation.  We never cheated extra days, but I was very tempted.

post #16 of 29

It's geographical, but I know a lot of teachers and school administrators that are really good golfers.

Most districts here are only in session 174 days/year.  That leaves a lot of time off to practice.

post #17 of 29

Find a district with a year-round track system. 

post #18 of 29

Teach at a high school in Colorado, preferably Breck, Vail or Aspen.

post #19 of 29
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Teach at a high school in Colorado, preferably Breck, Vail or Aspen.

Heck yeah. With all the holidays and school breaks plus weekends there would be tons of ski time.

Course with the price of housing in those areas if they pay teachers there like they do here, they will have to live in a teacher group home. Win-win-win. Teach-ski-make lots of new friends! smile.gif
post #20 of 29
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Heck yeah. With all the holidays and school breaks plus weekends there would be tons of ski time.

Course with the price of housing in those areas if they pay teachers there like they do here, they will have to live in a teacher group home. Win-win-win. Teach-ski-make lots of new friends! smile.gif

 

I have been a fan of the group home for a long time.  I look at all the money my friends and I spend on our separate housing and have this idea to buy a huge house in Snowmass with individual suites with a common commercial kitchen and party room.  For some of us single people, it would be a cost effective way to live in a great house with a built in social life.  Lots of people laugh at me, but I am going to make it happen!

post #21 of 29

Well you don't say where you are located so hard to advise.

 

For myself teaching has been great job for here in the northeast.  I often say my job is one of the few that calls off work for a powder day, but I live within 2 hours of good skiing and we often get 3-5 snow days a year.

 

I have gone on a ski vacation for the last 8 or so Presidents Day weeks.  It is more expensive to fly then as MDF said, but the timing of the vacation is great. I have found that for that time period you book your flights early as the other strategies for airfare costs do not apply.

 

MLK weekend is a 3 day holiday in the winter.

 

Christmas break I make a day trip or two, but in general it is not my favorite time to ski.

post #22 of 29
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...my job is one of the few that calls off work for a powder day, but I live within 2 hours of good skiing and we often get 3-5 snow days a year.

 

 

Forgot about that.  We had one winter when the town had a massive fail on clearing snow, and we had a bunch of snow days in a row (I think it may even have been a whole week).  We hopped in the Subaru and went skiing.

post #23 of 29
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Originally Posted by skier31 View Post

I have been a fan of the group home for a long time.  I look at all the money my friends and I spend on our separate housing and have this idea to buy a huge house in Snowmass with individual suites with a common commercial kitchen and party room.  For some of us single people, it would be a cost effective way to live in a great house with a built in social life.  Lots of people laugh at me, but I am going to make it happen!

Sounds good! People laugh at some of the best ideas.
post #24 of 29

Good info so far...I'll add that crowds are usually reasonable 1st week of X-Mas break (Dec 26 and before).  President's weekend can be crowded, but a number of schools give the whole week off which can be a great time to ski.  Other schools give spring break or time around Easter which can be good also.

 

Lots of people get into teaching because of all the vacation time.  Yes, that means being off when the kids are off, but many families have the same issue (with no guarantee that parents jobs will let them take the same days their kids are off) and find a way to ski, so I bet you can make it work if you want to.

post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by skier31 View Post
 

 

I have been a fan of the group home for a long time.  I look at all the money my friends and I spend on our separate housing and have this idea to buy a huge house in Snowmass with individual suites with a common commercial kitchen and party room.  For some of us single people, it would be a cost effective way to live in a great house with a built in social life.  Lots of people laugh at me, but I am going to make it happen!

Sorta like a ski lease on steroids...Good luck to you!  Have you checked out any intentional community websites?    

 

I realize there are certain trade-offs and downsides when you share things as opposed to having your own but feel like people focus more on the negatives than the positive.  It doesn't just have to be for single people- I always thought there would be a lot of advantages to raising a child in a multi-family/multi-generational community but my wife never saw it that way.  

post #26 of 29
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Sorta like a ski lease on steroids...Good luck to you!  Have you checked out any intentional community websites?    

 

I realize there are certain trade-offs and downsides when you share things as opposed to having your own but feel like people focus more on the negatives than the positive.  It doesn't just have to be for single people- I always thought there would be a lot of advantages to raising a child in a multi-family/multi-generational community but my wife never saw it that way.  

 

I was a Schussbaumer member until I bought a condo in Breck (mostly for my dog!) and really liked the concept.  I have not checked out any intentional community websites but will do that. Thanks for the suggestion!

post #27 of 29

Oh, yeah, a teacher-skier is absolutely doable.  No doubt at all.  I teach, and I got thirty days in this season.  I would have gotten more had I not missed a snow day or two, and bailed on two or three days over Christmas break.  (Oh, and got sick and missed the EC Gathering.  Bummer.)

 

February break?  Yes, it may be crowded, but I live in New Hampshire, where vacation week the last week in February, which neatly ducks the Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York hordes — and the hordes in Colorado, too, by the way.   

 

Anyway, so what if it's crowded?  So what if it's raining?  A skier skis.

 

We also have April break.  Here, the season's almost over, but there's usually snow in the west (big-time in Colorado this year, from the sound of it).  AND we have night skiing here; I ski Friday nights, and during the day on Sunday, and still get Saturday to do what needs to be done. 

 

Oh, she'll be fine -- after the first year.  Be re-a-ll-y supportive the first year.  It's going to be tough.  Totally tough.  Super tough, probably.  But after that, more or less, she'll keep up.  She might ski more than you do.

post #28 of 29

Where you are settling down makes a huge difference no matter what the job is, teaching, whatever.  If you can drive vice fly to skiing that is huge.  Then you are skiing every weekend.  

post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by yuik View Post
 

 

any serious popular north american trip is out of the question unless we want poop lift lines 

I don't think this is a totally fair assumption about school holiday skiing.  Many of the fine ski areas in western Canada are pretty empty even during big holiday periods.  Some very nice western US ski areas are pretty light during Christmas Holidays and many are light during spring break.  At the late spring Easter break adhered to by many private schools even most New England areas will be empty (if still open).  Here is an old thread with some suggestions:

http://www.epicski.com/t/102228/great-skiing-with-no-crowds

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